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Age : 30 Posts : 1012

I know that the summoning system needs a lot of work, but a thought went through my mind while working on my summon: Was there any thought or suggestion to add SCs to summons? Or have summon specific SCs that people can train?

We don't know how fast they move unless people say, we don't know how strong one is unless they're higher ranked etc etc.

Shouldn't something like SCs be made for summons?

Edit: Not talking about the summoning SC that's already there.

Posts : 1729

Summons have always been fairly limited on US, meant to be more of a supplement than forces in and of themselves. So in that vein, SCs that increase the power of summons, are more than likely to fall flat.

Oddly enough, people don't like the idea of other people being able to summon multiples of 10, 25, 50, 100 foot long/tall beasts capable of utterly curb-stomping them.

Age : 32 Posts : 1178

In fact, I am not against it at all.

A while ago, I had a question as to what a human sized summon of S rank had when matched against a massive behemoth. It was surprisingly little and in my opinion, it made it a stupid decision to go with a human sized summon at all.

What this SC thing can do should basically be a list of things the large animals could get in terms of resistance to thrown projectiles along the lines of Shuriken and Kunai due to their sheer size and such things being nothing more than bee stings. Because they are already massive, they would not get strength or speed SC's because one step of those big guys is like fifteen human steps already while their sheer weight can crush buildings. Smaller summons could get stuff like speed, stealth and other such SC's to make up for their lack of size/weight/power and make them worth having too.

Maybe we can use the current SC's, tone them down a bit and keep the whole Specialty restriction in place so that an illusion using fox won't have titanic levels of physical strength. Those are the points I wanted to make.

Age : 31 Posts : 1495

Hiruzen wrote:: In fact, I am not against it at all.

A while ago, I had a question as to what a human sized summon of S rank had when matched against a massive behemoth. It was surprisingly little and in my opinion, it made it a stupid decision to go with a human sized summon at all.

What this SC thing can do should basically be a list of things the large animals could get in terms of resistance to thrown projectiles along the lines of Shuriken and Kunai due to their sheer size and such things being nothing more than bee stings. Because they are already massive, they would not get strength or speed SC's because one step of those big guys is like fifteen human steps already while their sheer weight can crush buildings. Smaller summons could get stuff like speed, stealth and other such SC's to make up for their lack of size/weight/power and make them worth having too.

Maybe we can use the current SC's, tone them down a bit and keep the whole Specialty restriction in place so that an illusion using fox won't have titanic levels of physical strength. Those are the points I wanted to make.

What that guy said! Razz

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

Hiruzen wrote:: In fact, I am not against it at all.

A while ago, I had a question as to what a human sized summon of S rank had when matched against a massive behemoth. It was surprisingly little and in my opinion, it made it a stupid decision to go with a human sized summon at all.

What this SC thing can do should basically be a list of things the large animals could get in terms of resistance to thrown projectiles along the lines of Shuriken and Kunai due to their sheer size and such things being nothing more than bee stings. Because they are already massive, they would not get strength or speed SC's because one step of those big guys is like fifteen human steps already while their sheer weight can crush buildings. Smaller summons could get stuff like speed, stealth and other such SC's to make up for their lack of size/weight/power and make them worth having too.

Maybe we can use the current SC's, tone them down a bit and keep the whole Specialty restriction in place so that an illusion using fox won't have titanic levels of physical strength. Those are the points I wanted to make.

Has not this has been spoken about already? scratch

Just because a summon is small it doesn't necessarily mean its not as strong as any other large summon. That's why there are ranks, and their ranks pretty much explains their lethality or power/speed abilities and so on. If you decide to go with a small summon there won't be any difference in terms of power aside from the large one being able to squash you while tue little one can't. Then again if you choose to pick a smaller summon then obviously you will have to deal with the set standards when it comes to power or so on.

As for the SC, I don't think its needed. And pretty much support what Travis has said.

Age : 28 Posts : 3145

>_> Just get rid of the summons already. Even the show recognises that they are colourful distractions that just barely get slightly more screen time than Shino; and that's not a lot of screen time!

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

But what do we have to explain how fast they can move, or what power they have besides ranks?

Wanting to get rid of summons is a bit immature to look at this situation. US is the only site that I've been apart of that makes them seem like a supplementary item rather than a whole other being. The sizes are a bit limiting as well, but that can easily be worked with.

Just trying to make them a bit more unique and useful than they are at the moment. They're no better than pets that can preform jutsu. Hell, they might as well be considered clones lol.

I would have thought something to make summons a bit more unique and with a bit more customization would be a good thing to throw out here. XD

Edit: LOL at the Shino comment though. Razz

Age : 32 Posts : 750

US likes to make things uber logical whilst most other sites seem to be far more lenient in that matter. This accounts for most of the decisions made with the summons and most everything else as well. While I don't disagree with this completely, it does limit some of the creativity and such for this and other things.

Posts : 178

Well, if you want them to be better, then it shouldn't be that everybody should be able to obtain them.

Our SC Summoning that exist should be pushed to a higher rank, while we make a new one that says if you have that SC you can obtain a summoning.

The summoning on the site is the way you say it is Cross, but that is because everybody on this site can obtain a summoning(unless they make a 1 post topic every time with 1 sentence). On other sites I have seen from Naruto, you needed to have a specialization in summoning, or at least have something that allowed you to summon, which meant not everybody were able to summon creatures in battle. An S rank summoning is suppose to be super strong, and they probably would move as fast as you could, if you didn't have speed SC...

Summoning most likely have the same speed, strength, endurance, etc that a ninja with no clan would have, and without any SC...

There is that, and if we did give them SC, then it's like having two characters in one, but just sharing the same chakra pool.

For example while you specialize in speed, acrobats, and accuracy, the summoning could specialize in strength, and endurance. That would be hard to penetrate as your summoning could take on the heavy duty, and damage while you are just dodging and attacking from a distance, then making summoning overpowered and broken.

Then, you are going to have people complain about that, and asking to nerf them blah blah blah, which will bring another topic.

My point is summoning is good the way it is and if you want it changed, then make it so you need an SC for it, which will limit the number of people who would probably take the SC over something else.

Posts : 757

Unpopular Opinion that I agree with: Chris is right

It's problematic and potentially unbalanced, especially if you take PSN. PSN needs to be nerfed btw, if summoning gets buffed.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

True, Yuurei. That's where I was getting at. Most other sites require summoning be a spec itself. Has that even crossed the staffs mind or would that be too much of a change to bring forth to the system?

I mean, I understand that anyone with nin can obtain them, and anyone without them can get one at S rank, but eh. Guess it means just a little too much work to actually try to make them alright to use how they are supposed to be. /kanyeshrug

Guess the forum stated what they wanted lol.

~~if summons go away, I want full refunds, mang. Or something.~~

Age : 32 Posts : 1178

Well, seeing as this is what people want, I know that picking Giant Snakes for Yoroi was not as stupid as I originally thought it was, though it does mean that I won't be going for smaller summons with Hiruzen. No matter how you look at it, picking smaller summons is just pulling the shortest straw here.

Also, how does the PSN profession even come into play here and why would it need to be nerfed when there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. [In case this question brings up an entirely new debate, I suggest a new FA thread is made for it.]

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

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