Traveling Issue...

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

Alright as I can see there aren't any 'real' rules or restrictions as to how and when can a genin leave their vilage to visit a neighbouring country . I will just say this might be a problem. Simply because there is no way in hell a Genin should be allowed to just leave their village, even with another genin to visit another country. Even if it is a mission. -__-

The reason they should not be allowed to leave their village to visit another country well for one,

They are supposed to be inexperienced, they are young and they have pretty much started their role as a ninja to just be put 'out there'.

Even if its a mission to establish relations between clans. It just shouldn't be allowed at all. Seeing as in a realistic way in naruto. A genin would not be sent to another village to make friends with other clans or meet their own clan members. For that, they would send a better representation such as a Jounin (Higher rank) or maybe even a chuunin. But I dont really understand how can a genin do this unless accompanied by a Jounin.

Another issue is, that if they are allowed to leave their village on a mission to go to another village. This pretty much go against the going rogue rules. Leaving a genin to go on a mission to another country simply could lead to many things.

I can just RP myself going through a harsh ful situation, end up hating my village and easily make an escape because guess what? I'm not in the village, and did not really went through the trouble of escaping and getting chased after.

Ex.*Okashi applies for a mission that allows him to travel to Konoha to meet his Inuzuka brothers*

*Gets approved for missioning!*

*Okashi begins his mission. Half way through the traveling topic Uriko jumps in and persuades me to leave Kumogakure! I follow through with her idea or beliefs and say f*ck the mission Im going rogue!*

End result=Okashi being a Missing Ninja, and didnt had to really escape or going through the trouble of escaping from his village.

COOKIE!

Anyways. There should be a system, or simple restrictions regarding genin traveling. And to my belief, I thought there was one, and that was that a genin could not leave the village by themselves, unless accompanied by a Chuunin, and if not a Jounin.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

They already solved this in staff apparently.
You have to get permission from your kage ICly and OOCly as well.

Age : 31 Posts : 683

I'll make sure that this change is made in the rules and an announcement is made but are we okay to mark this as solved and such?

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

Nope not really. It still doesnt answer every point I have made. Anyone can get permision to get out of the village then. But it doesnt stop anyone from turning a missing ninja or anything of the above points I have stated.

I would actually if not much of a problem would like to see a set of rules or restrictions about it. Because a simple "get permission from your Kage IC and OOC" wont really stop a wave of genin who want to turn a missing ninja to do what I said to get there. LOl

Age : 31 Posts : 683

Alright how about if we have either an PC or NPC escort for them required as well?

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Turn it so that they can't turn rogue this way?

As I stated in Cbox, even though Courier ninja do spend an SC, They are still more than likely Genin. What makes them so much better that they can travel just because of an SC? They could not be as prepared, and could go rogue that way as well, just like you stated.

There seems to be a hole somewhat in this system.

The PC escort is a good Idea. NPC not so much then any could make a Npc and travel.

Age : 31 Posts : 683

The NPC would be RP'd by a separate entity it would just be so someone wouldn't have to drop all their threads for something like this.

Hmm this will have to be brought up with other staff. (inb4 I'm tasked with remaking travel system)

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

Cross setsuzoku wrote:: Turn it so that they can't turn rogue this way?

As I stated in Cbox, even though Courier ninja do spend an SC, They are still more than likely Genin. What makes them so much better that they can travel just because of an SC? They could not be as prepared, and could go rogue that way as well, just like you stated.

There seems to be a hole somewhat in this system.

The PC escort is a good Idea. NPC not so much then any could make a Npc and travel.

Prohibiting people to go rogue this way its simply stupid. Its like telling a baby to not play with a toy when the person is clearly handing it in a silver platter on their hands. It would just be unrealistic.

And to tell you the truth, though sorta off topic...I hate how everyone succesfuly complete their missions. LOl...also unrealistic unless you ARE a very well toned and highly skilled Role Player. But nobody likes to loose I guess. Maybe they should get exp when they fail a mission. Maybe that will make people fail missions and be realistic. xD

If Im not mistaken a Courier do spend a SC slot. Buut they can also 'skip' traveling threads and pretty much get from one village to another without having to go through the 'dangers' a genin OR anyone can face by themselves when they travel.

As for the PC idea...it does sound like it can solve the problem.Then again it would need to be atleast chuunin. NPC meh...not at all.

Age : 31 Posts : 683

Jace of Spades wrote:

Cross setsuzoku wrote:: Turn it so that they can't turn rogue this way?

As I stated in Cbox, even though Courier ninja do spend an SC, They are still more than likely Genin. What makes them so much better that they can travel just because of an SC? They could not be as prepared, and could go rogue that way as well, just like you stated.

There seems to be a hole somewhat in this system.

The PC escort is a good Idea. NPC not so much then any could make a Npc and travel.

Prohibiting people to go rogue this way its simply stupid. Its like telling a baby to not play with a toy when the person is clearly handing it in a silver platter on their hands. It would just be unrealistic.

And to tell you the truth, though sorta off topic...I hate how everyone succesfuly complete their missions. LOl...also unrealistic unless you ARE a very well toned and highly skilled Role Player. But nobody likes to loose I guess. Maybe they should get exp when they fail a mission. Maybe that will make people fail missions and be realistic. xD

If Im not mistaken a Courier do spend a SC slot. Buut they can also 'skip' traveling threads and pretty much get from one village to another without having to go through the 'dangers' a genin OR anyone can face by themselves when they travel.

As for the PC idea...it does sound like it can solve the problem.Then again it would need to be atleast chuunin. NPC meh...not at all.

It would be at least a Chuunin PC as for the NPC it would be at least a Jounin and would be roleplayed by a human who isn't involved in the thread this would just be so the person doing it wouldn't have to drop all their threads IC to accompany someone out of the village; y'digg?

As I said I will be bringing this up when another staff member pops up.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Quote :: If Im not mistaken a Courier do spend a SC slot. Buut they can also 'skip' traveling threads and pretty much get from one village to another without having to go through the 'dangers' a genin OR anyone can face by themselves when they travel.

The point being is that they are still Genin. I don't really care for the profession itself since it just breaks the travel system and makes it redundant, but it's whatevs.

I agree on the PC agreement though. NPC, well.. It all depends honestly. There will have ot rules on how may times they can use the NPC though.

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

Cross setsuzoku wrote:: The point being is that they are still Genin. I don't really care for the profession itself since it just breaks the travel system and makes it redundant, but it's whatevs.

IS not that they are genin. Is that they are able to avoid danger unlike other genin who do not have the SC. IC a genin should not be allowed to leave a village without adult supervision. Just like IRL you would no tbe allowed to go out somewhere or get in a place without adult supervision.

It is really all about protection. And a genin to tell you the truth, cant really protect themselves from shit when it involves a capable insane nukenin who is looking for trouble.

It is really not because they are genin that they cant leave their village and go to another one. It is simply because they are genin and aren't able to be 'safe' outside of a village by themselves.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Meh. It's just a weird profession IMHO. A simple Sc makes them avoid everything. It's just not a logical thing in my mind. While we both have been giving out reasonable Points, It just shows that the travel system needs a reboot of some sort. The Npc/Pc thing is something that could probably help it out a lot.

Age : 27 Posts : 2538

Jace of Spades wrote:: Another issue is, that if they are allowed to leave their village on a mission to go to another village. This pretty much go against the going rogue rules. Leaving a genin to go on a mission to another country simply could lead to many things.

I can just RP myself going through a harsh ful situation, end up hating my village and easily make an escape because guess what? I'm not in the village, and did not really went through the trouble of escaping and getting chased after.

Ex.*Okashi applies for a mission that allows him to travel to Konoha to meet his Inuzuka brothers*

*Gets approved for missioning!*

*Okashi begins his mission. Half way through the traveling topic Uriko jumps in and persuades me to leave Kumogakure! I follow through with her idea or beliefs and say f*ck the mission Im going rogue!*

End result=Okashi being a Missing Ninja, and didnt had to really escape or going through the trouble of escaping from his village.

USAdmin wrote:: Characters are not limited to escaping the village through the main gates only. There are other alternatives, but we hope that you can think of them on your own.

This rule almost alludes to shinobi being able to escape their village without having to actually escape the village. Either way, such an action isn't explicitly disallowed. I think this is because it would annoy people both IC and OOC, so people would make a point of hunting down said Nukenin for the EXP and Bingo Book, etc. Shinobi who started as Nukenin didn't have to go through the trouble of escaping the village, does that mean we shouldn't allow them?

Jace of Spades wrote:: Anyways. There should be a system, or simple restrictions regarding genin traveling. And to my belief, I thought there was one, and that was that a genin could not leave the village by themselves, unless accompanied by a Chuunin, and if not a Jounin.

I disagree. Limiting Genin in such a way would be detrimental to roleplaying. Genin make up most of the forum and not allowing them to leave the village would hurt roleplaying activity, in my opinion.

Cross Out wrote:: You have to get permission from your kage ICly and OOCly as well.

This requirement allows the Kage/staff to keep tabs on who is exactly is leaving their village, which I feel is a good enough safeguard regarding Genin leaving their village.

If we're going to disallow Genin to travel independently, we might as well completely disregard the Seinen and Noreta Seinen ranks. Neither move makes sense to me.

However, I do agree with what you are saying about members gaining EXP for failing missions, as that would motivate more realistic roleplaying from members.

Age : 31 Posts : 683

I have neglected to mention this anywhere but in the cbox, but I will be remaking travel system. I'm gonna lock this until I have that written up in its final form.

Age : 29 Posts : 1236

And Solved. Ame is working on the Travel Systems and will have them finished with shortly. (8