Expanding on the Benefit of the Mid/Plus Ranks

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

I feel like being allowed a single jutsu of the next rank is a really small reward for Exp. Genin, Special Jounin or Master Jounin. Perhaps this could be upped to 3 or 5? I know it's supposed to represent a character's trump card, but one jutsu feels like no step-up at all.

Perhaps we could also allow a single next-rank SC. Especially in the case of Special Jounin, there is an implication that you are stronger in a certain aspect, to all the other Chuunin. This aspect may as well be represented as an SC.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

I wouldn't agree with the multiple Jutsu from the next rank, as their cumulative experience is supposed to have added up to learning a Jutsu above their capabilities. But I definitely agree with the possibility of an SC from the next rank, to further demonstrate that they have surpassed those on their level.

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To be honest I agree, although I much prefer the idea of being allowed an SC. For instance in the case of something such as improved speed or endurance it would be great if we were able to upgrade it to quick speed or great endurance. But it would be better if it was one or the other like, a SC upgrade or 2/3 new higher rank jutsu.

Age : 30 Posts : 1236

Solved in 24 or so hours if this still isn't being proposed...

Posts : 14

I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said already. Not entirely sure what or how many people you need proposing an idea.

I'm still new, but yeah. Seems like the more experienced mid/plus ranks should have more to show for being more experienced than someone starting off in their rank. The extra SC in addition to the single trump card jutsu seems most fair.

Age : 26 Posts : 183

Something more for the mid point to the next rank should be implemented. The idea to allow them to unlock an SC at one notch up in rank is something interesting to add. I'd like to see an opinion from staff about this, before it becomes solved.

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

~~I'm just posting in here to get rid of this topic.~~ Personally, I'd say an entire increase in SC would be too much, I'd be open to the idea of allowing perhaps three techniques above your rank rather than one, but a free Special Characteristic? A tad too much for just going from Genin to Exp. Genin.

Age : 31 Posts : 1836

Cookie Monster wrote:: ~~I'm just posting in here to get rid of this topic.~~ Personally, I'd say an entire increase in SC would be too much, I'd be open to the idea of allowing perhaps three techniques above your rank rather than one, but a free Special Characteristic? A tad too much for just going from Genin to Exp. Genin.

Seconded.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Ulkira wrote:

Cookie Monster wrote:: ~~I'm just posting in here to get rid of this topic.~~ Personally, I'd say an entire increase in SC would be too much, I'd be open to the idea of allowing perhaps three techniques above your rank rather than one, but a free Special Characteristic? A tad too much for just going from Genin to Exp. Genin.

Seconded.

+3.

Sorry for the late response.

Age : 28 Posts : 2538

Adam wrote:

Ulkira wrote:

Cookie Monster wrote:: ~~I'm just posting in here to get rid of this topic.~~ Personally, I'd say an entire increase in SC would be too much, I'd be open to the idea of allowing perhaps three techniques above your rank rather than one, but a free Special Characteristic? A tad too much for just going from Genin to Exp. Genin.

Seconded.

+3.

Sorry for the late response.

Whilst I like the idea of expanding on rewards between ranks, having 3 extra jutsu takes away from that "signature jutsu" feel of having one justu above your rank, in my opinion. I think it would be better if you could have 1 jutsu one rank above your rank and 1 special characteristic one rank above your rank, which could be an area your shinobi specialises in.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

The scale of an SC upgrade in comparison to a couple of extra jutsu is waaaaaaay out there. No SC upgrades.

Age : 28 Posts : 2538

Adam wrote:: The scale of an SC upgrade in comparison to a couple of extra jutsu is waaaaaaay out there. No SC upgrades.

How so?

A Genin who specialises in puppetry being able to have 3 additional puppet slots on their puppet with the Perfect Puppets SC (after a 1200 word training topic) is hardly "waaaaaaay out there" compared to two extra jutsu at B-Rank, just as an example.

Age : 26 Posts : 183

Good example, Plus the weapon conductivity can also be considered a good example for a genin to become more experienced, he'll still have to make techniques under his rank, but it can show how he/she is ahead in his/her general rank.

But lets not forget the SC's are supposed to be getting changed and worked out in a different fashion. I don't know how or what but should hold the tongue about the SC's until that comes to light (whenever it'll happen, getting off topic.)

Something other than just one jutsu slot above your rank. Maybe a weapon, perhaps?

Posts : 14

Crazy idea here, but I'll put it out there:

Quote :: Miscellaneous Based
These are Special Characteristics that are more centered around a ninja's reputation rather than physical qualities. These are more inconsequential in comparison to the other three categories but they are fun to possess and very useful at times. Some characteristics that fall under this category include Street Smarts, Novelist, Infinite Riches and Courier-Nin. The training regimen for these are completely depend on which on you're choosing. But most of which require you attain a needed reputation to gain the characteristic or practice whatever craft needed.

Some think an SC is the way to go, others think that would be too much of a step up in power, so how about making it to where the extra SC gained for being an experienced genin/chuunin/jounin/whatever HAS to be one of the miscellaneous SCs? It even says that it has more to do with reputation than combat prowess.

That way the "experienced ______" has something to show for improvement in combat prowess (with the trump card jutsu) AND something to show their improvement in reputation/less combat focused skills (with the miscellanous SC).

Of course, the exception would be if someone already used one of the SCs before the advancement to get a miscellanous SC. In which case, they'd be allowed to get one of the physical/mental/whatever SCs. And in the end it would still result in an experienced genin not being allowed to have more than 3 combat-related SCs.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

The Dude'inator wrote:

Crazy idea here, but I'll put it out there:

Quote :: Miscellaneous Based
These are Special Characteristics that are more centered around a ninja's reputation rather than physical qualities. These are more inconsequential in comparison to the other three categories but they are fun to possess and very useful at times. Some characteristics that fall under this category include Street Smarts, Novelist, Infinite Riches and Courier-Nin. The training regimen for these are completely depend on which on you're choosing. But most of which require you attain a needed reputation to gain the characteristic or practice whatever craft needed.

Some think an SC is the way to go, others think that would be too much of a step up in power, so how about making it to where the extra SC gained for being an experienced genin/chuunin/jounin/whatever HAS to be one of the miscellaneous SCs? It even says that it has more to do with reputation than combat prowess.

That way the "experienced ______" has something to show for improvement in combat prowess (with the trump card jutsu) AND something to show their improvement in reputation/less combat focused skills (with the miscellanous SC).

Of course, the exception would be if someone already used one of the SCs before the advancement to get a miscellanous SC. In which case, they'd be allowed to get one of the physical/mental/whatever SCs. And in the end it would still result in an experienced genin not being allowed to have more than 3 combat-related SCs.

Except that Miscellaneous SCs are shit and I doubt anyone will want to waste a precious slot on one xD

Posts : 14

Yep!

But it's not *wasting* one if it's an *extra* slot with the stipulation that you HAVE to use it on an SC, right?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

This argument has gone off on quite a tangent.

What I was proposing is that an Exp. Genin (for example) is allowed to upgrade one of their SCs to B Rank. That's all.

Age : 31 Posts : 1836

Chris wrote:: What I was proposing is that an Exp. Genin (for example) is allowed to upgrade one of their SCs to B Rank. That's all.

The most obvious problem I can spot with this: what if the Genin in question doesn't have an SC that can be upgraded to B-Rank? Take my character for instance. He doesn't have any B-rank versions of his SC's, so for cases like him, this reward would be useless. Personally, I would be pissed to do all that hard work for a mid-rank, and not be able to obtain the reward.

On another note, let's think of it in terms of chakra. While the mid-ranks have a slight advantage over their base ranks in terms of chakra points, let's not forget that those higher-ranked jutsu cost more chakra than the jutsu they've been using thus far. Like, a lot more. Almost twice as much as the cost of the lower-ranked jutsu (min. for C-Rank jutsu = 5; min. for B-Rank jutsu = 10; min. for A-Rank jutsu = 20; min. for S-Rank jutsu = 35). It's not like an Experienced Genin will be spamming his B-Rank jutsu continuously during a fight; not unless he plans on using it for a max of 5 times (6, if he wants to die). A Special Characteristic, on the other hand, uses no chakra whatsoever, so an Experienced Genin could spam his (e.g. Quick Speed) SC without worry of chakra exhaustion or dying. A huge advantage, one that doesn't really come with that much of a drawback. Well, that may not be such a big issue in other people's view, but I personally see it as too great of any advantage.

Also, since we all love SC's so much, don't you think it would be better if you earned one for reaching the next official rank, rather than the intermediate one? Wouldn't you feel more accomplished that way? I know I would. XD

There are probably other problems with this idea, but these are the ones that stood out to me. Note, though, that I do like the proposal, but it just seems a little too much.

Posts : 1729

By the time you're at Mid-rank, you're already 3-4 good topics and a couple of missions away from ranking up completely. You can wait a bit longer to fully go wild with your speed. And, has been previously mentioned by Ulkira, not all SCs have a B-rank version to upgrade to, so some people would just find the mid-rank benefits even MORE useless.

Simply, I don't think there's really anything to be done for mid-rank benefits. It's just a marking point saying "You're half-way to the next rank. Here's a little tidbit to encourage you to continue onto that rank."

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

The reward for reaching a midway rank has been increased to now allow members to claim three techniques above their rank. The Ranking System has been updated to state so and an announcement will be posted up shortly. Declaring this topic...

Solved.