First come, first serve?

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

So,
I have been stumbling over a couple of things that had me bothered for a while, so please allow me to explain why.

Clan Prodigy

First of all, I wondered whether this SC works solely for your clan, or if it works for the other KKG things you might come to possess with your character.

Hurpedurp wrote:: Name:[/b] Clan Prodigy
Rank: C
Type: Chakra Based
Physical Requirements: N/A
Training Requirements: A 600 word training post is required to gain this special characteristic.
Description: A trait given to ninja who posses a innate talent for the manipulation of clan based techniques and has trained thoroughly to improve their skill. Their power over the the clans abilities has become so considerable that the ninja is now considered a young prodigy by the clan elders. Because of this, the user's clan based attacks are 20% more destructive with their increased power and size.

It clearly states Clan based techniques, though there is nothing solid about whether or not it is solely for your own clan or other clan abilities outside of your own being affected by it.

Now, on to the second part of my question.

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Hurpedurp wrote:: Name: Kettou Kekkei (Dual Bloodline)
Rank: S
Type: Chakra Based
Physical Requirements: Must have Elementalist
Training Requirements: A 2000 word training post is required to gain this special characteristic.
Description: Kettou kekkei or Duel Bloodline is the ability to have and create two simultaneous elemental combination bloodlines through fusing multiple chakra natures. A powerful enough ninja is capable of creating two advanced elements but they must require and master three elements to do so. For this to be possible the ninja must already have a single advanced element Kekkei Genkai through a clan e.g Yuki Clan with Hyouton and possess the special characteristic 'Elementalist'. By then training with another element they are able to use their hereditary ability to fuse another two base elements to form another combination element. The maximum that a ninja is allowed to create is two, and only the most powerful elementalist ninja are capable of this feat.

I came to hear that this kind of thing follows a first come, first serve kind of rule, meaning that if some other person or some other clan has an Advanced element, you yourself can not have it. Now, my problem with this is as followed,

Mushiki Clan - Boil Release

Tetsuji Clan - Metal Release

Senju Clan - Wood Release

Yuki Clan - Ice Release

Uncertain - Storm release
Uncertain - Crystal Release

These are four of the Elements that are being used by a clan. Now, the following are Advanced elements that are forbidden from any use.

Dark Release
Scorch Release
Magnet Release
Swift Release
Lava Release
Sand Release

Basically, this is the vast majority of all Canon elements. Now, lets summarize the remaining elements up for picks.

Explosion Release
Blaze Release

As you can see, the amount of choice given there is not as diverse as it should be, seeing as you are basically wasting an S ranked SC spot on something that might give you nothing if you are not one of the last two people getting to this, and that is if you are not jacked out of the deal by a Clan that might get approved before you can even get to S rank.

I personally had high hopes for this SC, but was more or less demoralized when it came down to the help given about this topic. I was told that such things followed a first come, first serve kind of deal here on US. Personally, I think it is highly unfair, seeing as Clans are made out of elements that are not even stated to be clan related. For example, Crystal, Boil, Metal and Storm release have never been stated to belong to a clan.

Now, I do not really care whether a clan has it or not, I am just having a problem with the fact that because a clan has it, people with the requirements to make such an Advanced element are no longer capable of such a thing.

What I had in mind is rather simple. Why can't people who wish to gain access to an elemental nature, that possess the S ranked SC and the Elementalist SC receive training from someone from said clan to teach them how to perform said Element, thus learning it from it's Clan source.

If anyone else has any thoughts on the matter, lets hear it.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

I don't really understand your first question. You cannot learn a Clan-Specific technique, unless you're a part of that Clan. If you're linking the question back to making new advanced elements or developing a special form of your KKG, then those things are no longer Clan-related - they're your own original techniques, hence you don't get a 20% bonus on them.

Kettou Kekkei (Dual Bloodline) requires you to already have one KKG. This is basically the SC that the Fifth Mizukage would have. You're not limited to the official advanced elements. If you can think of something plausible that would be formed out of e.g Water and Fire, you can clam it to be an Advanced Element. But as I said, you need to have one KKG already, since the SC works on the basis that if you already know how to make an advanced element out of two basic ones, it will be possible for you to do the same with two different basic elements.

In terms of you saying there isn't a clan for those Advanced Elements, these Clans have been made up to allow members access to more features. Since advanced elements are considered KKG - i.e. they are passed down through blood relations - it's plausible that a clan would exist. Since US is an alternate universe site, we happen to have clans whose members have these advanced elements.

The banned Advanced Releases you mentioned are banned because most of them are Bijuu specific and we felt it would take away from the unique feel of, e.g, the Shukaku if the Jinchuuriki wasn't the only one who could control sand.

Currently, there is no actual way of making an Advanced Elemental release if you're not a member of a Clan. I guess one way to do so would be to create a Custom A or S Rank SC, which grants you a brand new Kekkei Genkai.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Kettou Kekkei is what allows an Advanced Element or Kekkei Genkai.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Celene's Dino wrote:: Kettou Kekkei is what allows an Advanced Element or Kekkei Genkai.

Read it again. It says it requires you to already have one advanced element (and uses 'Yuki Clan' as an example). The SC allows you to form a 2nd advanced element. As I said, it's what the Fifth Mizukage would have. Sorry.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Sorry for what, you are not disproving the theory at all.

All you are saying is that one has to have an advanced Element, so if one already has another and can get a second, they are still facing the problem of all Canon elements being in use or banned and this locked for them.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Have you read my reply at all? I said you can make your own Advanced Element - it doesn't have to be one of the canon, as long as it makes sense. If you say Water + Fire = Steam Release, than that would be perfectly fine.

And to repeat myself, Dual Bloodlines (as the name clearly states) allows you to have two advanced elements at the same time. If you have an Advanced Element, with this SC, you can develop a second one. LIKE THE FIFTH MIZUKAGE.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

And have you bothered reading why I made this topic?

I am talking about the CANON ELEMENTS, not some crappy make-up elemental stuff. Read my own topic before bitching about me not reading yours.

Age : 32 Posts : 750

Seems like you both should take a breather, I know there is some animosity.

Its getting late, lets try to calm it down a bit boys, whadaya say? Smile

No need to bitch at each other over a simple topic.

Now, to put my two cents in to this.

I think they are banned for a reason and if you want to protest something that is banned then give it a true reason not to be. I know you are talking about everything as a whole, Dino, but the topic doesn't get that specific about things. Seems like you just want to know about the Cannon stuff, well they being used by clans and such. I think Chris is just trying to get to the point of that you should think outside of the box and come up with your own AE if you can't use one you want or something.

And Chris, mate, I know you are tired man, but try and come off a little nicer Razz

You don't have to be a hard ass and all buddy.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

I figured that the Canon Elements picture and the whole Canon Elements being named would be enough indication for a cow to pick up on what I was talking about.

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Age : 32 Posts : 750

I propose that we just stop name calling and speak to each other like adults instead of imbeciles and trying to see whose dick is bigger.

Why don't we just swallow our pride and admit that we each have misread something.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Well, normally that would be fine and dandy, though I don't like being spoken to like I am a retard over supposedly misreading something when that same person misread the point of the topic. But now that that's been said, it's fine with me, I just want opinions on the Canon Elements thing.

Age : 32 Posts : 750

Well, the best thing that I can say to you (since I am not staff and don't have FACTUAL information on this) is that these elements have been made into a clan, so it doesn't matter if they were made known to be apart of a clan in Naruto or not. Here, on US, people have made clans out of these elements (example is the Kousen that I am making), and so that would be the first reason that you couldn't make that since apparently if a clan has it you can't make it, unless you belong to that clan. They are specific techniques that are shared in the bloodline of these people and if anyone were able to learn it, then we would have people running around all willy-nilly trying to learn all kinds of shit.

Now, as to your question about learning it, I can't really answer that, as it would be a staff decision on whether you could allow people to learn from the clan. However, I don't see how that would be possible, since it has been stated so obviously, that a clans KKG is in their bloodline. They aren't just techniques passed down to people. So, my answer would be no, people couldn't learn it.

Age : 34 Posts : 65

This is a bit off topic but it seems that you two, (Chris & Dino) are always fighting over something stupid. This could just be coincidence that the last two times I saw you both talking about some sort of topic, here or the cb, that you were arguing idk. Either way, seems to be a lot of tension between you two, so why not just fuck and get it over with?

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Risenheart wrote:: This is a bit off topic but it seems that you two, (Chris & Dino) are always fighting over something stupid. This could just be coincidence that the last two times I saw you both talking about some sort of topic, here or the cb, that you were arguing idk. Either way, seems to be a lot of tension between you two, so why not just fuck and get it over with?

Or come up with this kind of crap when it's on topic, not when it's been handled two days ago...

Just stay on topic or make your own in the General Area if you want to say something -__-

Age : 31 Posts : 1637

This topic seems to have been a bit... unnecessarily heated, but has this been solved?

Age : 32 Posts : 787

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Were we fighting? I answered all of Dino's questions but he couldn't be bothered to read my reply. Why the canon advanced elements are banned, you ask?

Chris wrote:: In terms of you saying there isn't a clan for those Advanced Elements, these Clans have been made up to allow members access to more features. Since advanced elements are considered KKG - i.e. they are passed down through blood relations - it's plausible that a clan would exist. Since US is an alternate universe site, we happen to have clans whose members have these advanced elements.

The banned Advanced Releases you mentioned are banned because most of them are Bijuu specific and we felt it would take away from the unique feel of, e.g, the Shukaku if the Jinchuuriki wasn't the only one who could control sand.

I'm not gonna comment regarding my apparent 'insults' since as far as I can see, writing the Fifth Mizukage in capitals is hardly offensive. However if you continue to insult me, where I'm not insulting you, I will see to it that you're punished. Thanks.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Ignoring Chris, seeing as his additions are not relevant, You're Welcome.

To state the question one last time: Why is it not plausible for people who have the elements and the possible required Characteristics to get one of the clan elements. If they learn how to do it from the clan, where exactly is the problem.

Age : 32 Posts : 750

Read the bottom of my last post Dino, i'm fairly certain that is the reason for not being able to learn clan techniques. It even states in the show that you can't learn clan techniques outside of the clan. It runs in their blood and is unique to those members. That is the reason sharingan can't copy KKG techniques. The only way you could learn that imo is if someone performed some kind of experiment like Orochimaru did and transferred cells. Its the only way that has been shown to be able to perform KKG techniques without being in that clan.. It in all honesty, is really not that difficult to understand..

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

I know that it's not, but I am not talking about the Physical prowess, I am talking about the molding of two elemental natures in one. I know someone can't become a Kaguya by wanting it really really bad, or that one can't grow their own eyes into Sharingan, seeing as that is BS right there, though a lot of elements have been shown to be accessible to... anyone who has the elements and the skill to mix them into an element, which is why they are called "Advanced Elements" in the first place.

Age : 32 Posts : 750

Your question was strictly about CLAN elements. If an element is suppose to be UNIQUE to a clan, then why should one be able to learn how to use that element just because they have the correct elements to use? That really makes no sense. I'm not really grasping what you're getting at because in all honesty, it hasn't been shown that one can use clan techniques just because they have the correct chakra natures. Like it has been stated, you can easily come up with your own advanced element, or an advanced element that doesn't belong to a clan(though idk if there is one), but to just straight learn how to use a clan's advanced element through molding chakra because you have the necessary natures, like I said, it's ridiculous and shouldn't happen.

If you allow that, then you start taking away the uniqueness of clans and then before long, what would be the point of being in a clan when all you needed to do would be to train yourself to be able to make that chakra...

Age : 32 Posts : 787

Its really not that hard to come up with your own advanced elements. And its not like you cant use the same elements a clan uses for form their KKG element for your own unique take. Same with bijuu. An obvious one would be with fire and earth, lava right, which a Bijuu has. Well....it could also just as easily be used to make a glass release.

Technically fire and SAND make glass, but im sure it is not very much of a stretch for the staff to allow it. The only way this becomes an issue is if you just cant come up with a creative enough concept on your own.

The only issue I see with these SC's is, at least how I read them, you already have to have a clan to use them, which seems unfair to people who are clanless. Its like rich people getting bigger tax cuts.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Saint wrote:: Its really not that hard to come up with your own advanced elements. And its not like you cant use the same elements a clan uses for form their KKG element for your own unique take. Same with bijuu. An obvious one would be with fire and earth, lava right, which a Bijuu has. Well....it could also just as easily be used to make a glass release.

Technically fire and SAND make glass, but im sure it is not very much of a stretch for the staff to allow it. The only way this becomes an issue is if you just cant come up with a creative enough concept on your own.

The only issue I see with these SC's is, at least how I read them, you already have to have a clan to use them, which seems unfair to people who are clanless. Its like rich people getting bigger tax cuts.

That right there is something I brought up months ago, something I was told would be fixed, but here we are again.

I was wondering whether the clan elements, which are currently all advanced elements, could be made by people not in the clan if they make an SC for it. When I say clan elements, I mean US Clan Elements, since all advanced elements are restricted to clans here.

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

Quote :: I was wondering whether the clan elements, which are currently all advanced elements, could be made by people not in the clan if they make an SC for it. When I say clan elements, I mean US Clan Elements, since all advanced elements are restricted to clans here.

No. They Can't.

But, I understand your argument.

If Kekkei Tota, and Duo Kekkei Genkai, allows you to acquire an "additional" advanced element, why can't there be a SC that allows you to have one right off the bat with your characters original elements. I believe that's what you're asking. It makes sense, because someone with a Duo-KKG SC can have a second ability when they aren't part of a clan. Which isn't really fair. Granted, it's an S-rank characteristic.

I wasn't the one who created those SC's, so I can't give you accurate reasoning. But, the original logic behind them is that "your character history" had to give suggestion that both your parents possessed kkg's, OR, you had to role play an entire arc to discover your distant blood ties to the clan who possessed your wanted element. Like everything, it's all about the roleplay.

Most people are more comfortable with a kkg shinobi acquire another kkg than a person with no bloodline abilities suddenly attaining one through training or some sort. The idea just doesn't sit well. That's just my logic. Either way, I doubt there will be a future SC to allow you to have a kkg when you aren't in a clan.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Chris wrote:: But as I said, you need to have one KKG already, since the SC works on the basis that if you already know how to make an advanced element out of two basic ones, it will be possible for you to do the same with two different basic elements.

It uses the logic that if you're good at (EXAMPLE) football, which combines kicking and running, you're also likely to be good at basketball, which combines running and throwing.

Chris wrote:: Currently, there is no actual way of making an Advanced Elemental release if you're not a member of a Clan. I guess one way to do so would be to create a Custom A or S Rank SC, which grants you a brand new Kekkei Genkai.

As I said, make a custom SC. Quite a few people have personalized Elements (e.g. White/Black Lightning), and I'm sure if it's nicely written and the Element makes sense, a custom Advanced Element will be approved.