Special Characteristics Aid

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

There are a couple of things I would like to get some thoughts on for the time being, seeing as I am not sure whether or not I am going to use things like these or not. Before I get too involved by making things before asking about the thoughts of staff, I am putting the general outline down here.

1. Cellular Mutation
Lets say someone has the Senju, Uzumaki or Kaguya clan, would they be able to make a Special Characteristic about healing their body, or having some sort of enhanced regeneration, seeing as every human body has a form of regeneration going for them, just not along the lines of Ulquiorra (if only).

Why do I ask: The Kaguya clan has bones protruding through flesh and skin, even firing them and regenerating bones, while their body just regenerates as if nothing ever penetrated it at all. The Senju have been told to have regenerative traits and be able to manipulate their cells and turning them into vegetation, recuperating and returning it to mere flesh, removing all signs of physical trauma. The Uzumaki, namely Karin, Naruto and Kushina, have all been shown to have increased physical recuperation, some even going far enough as to extend this trait to others like Karin did.

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2. Cross Species Hybrid
We all know that there is a thing called Sage mode, though people like Kabuto and Orochimaru have both become like snakes through medical procedures, while Jiraiya became like a toad for not having a full mastery over Sage mode. My question is, are people allowed to build on top of the "Summon Related Jutsu" SC and make it into something like "Summon Species Hybrid", giving people things such as the snake-like eyes Orochimaru and Kabuto had, a lengthened tongue, an immensely powerful affinity towards the manipulation of their own body and mixing it with their respective summon techniques.

Why do I ask: Because I think the Summon Related Jutsu thing is a useful one, but not on par with other things such as the Enhanced speed, chakra pool, endurance, physical strength etc etc SC's once they reach S rank. Orochimaru and Kabuto both transcended using mere summon techniques by more or less entering a state of symbiosis with their summon species, becoming more or less a 75/25 hybrid. (75% human, 25% snake, give or take). That's why I believe people who pick the ability to use summon related jutsu should be able to become such a thing, seeing as they do not get Percentage boosts or Immense Chakra pools.

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For now, this is all.

Age : 30 Posts : 1688

No Ulquiorra plz Dolan

I'll read this seriously later.
In the mean time, why dont you just make the SC instead of beating around the bush with these wishy washy proposals. It'd be much easier to moderate if I have something more substantial to look at.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

No, that's okay, these are just long term things, A/S rank things really.

All I want to know is if the concept is along the lines of being approvable before I actually start working on things. It saves me and the one modding my stuff a lot of time. Also, knowing me, i'd fight stuff way too much if I actually made the SC"s already, and no one wants that.

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I don't have much authority on the topics you've brought up, but I hope you'll consider what I have to say nonetheless. I hope none of this comes off as combative, I'm just trying to validate your ideas from different angles.

1. Cellular Mutation

Senju:

Uzumaki:

Kagyua:

Tl;dr: I don't think a Special Characteristic that heals their body is justified (perhaps with the exception of Kaguya).

2. Cross Species Hybrid

I like your idea of expanding into this realm (Orochimaru's skill set is my favorite in the series), but I feel like it would be best if what you're describing were to be made apart of the encyclopedia. A "Sage Mode" section with its own restrictions, requirements, etc. The SC you're thinking of making would be a part of that. That way the entire member base would have access to Sage Mode or its cross species hybrid equivalent/alternative, rather than it be unique to one person. If you in fact want it to be unique to one person however, I think you might face opposition, though that's just my educated guess.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Cellular Mutation:
I guess the only ones that actually had such a form of regeneration are the Kaguya, though I am not sure if it is a form or healing/regenerating, or if it is a side-effect of using their jutsu to say... launch a couple of bones and then heal back up. I guess I could make some sort of regeneration for Yoroi somewhere along the lines using the information available.

Now, when speaking about the Senju, I think it's save to assume that every Senju here is pretty much a Carbon Copy Hashirama in that they all have Wood Release. This is not because of the character being a copy, but because here on US, every Senju has Wood Release, thus allowing them to push their abilities closer to that of his. In saying that, I think that the cellular regeneration for a Senju would not be too far fetched.

As for the Uzumaki, it was just a long shot, though it's good to see that someone else understands the basic outline of what I am bringing up.

Hybrid:
Well, I was working on a Sage mode with Darius, so you may or may not have seen it, though I do believe that things should be separate. I say this because Orochimaru was a Snake-spawn due to his own antics, seeing as he was unable to enter Sage mode as a result of his weak bodies. This may be because of the bodies he is "wearing", rather then his actual body just being too weak, though I am not sure whether that bit is all that's keeping him from using it. Who knows, maybe he had been able of using it once, back when he still had his own body, he was the White Snake Sage's favorite pupil once, so chances are that they may be related.

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Spectre wrote:: Cellular Mutation:
I guess the only ones that actually had such a form of regeneration are the Kaguya, though I am not sure if it is a form or healing/regenerating, or if it is a side-effect of using their jutsu to say... launch a couple of bones and then heal back up. I guess I could make some sort of regeneration for Yoroi somewhere along the lines using the information available.

Kaguya were never given much explanation as to how their bloodline works though If I recall correctly, it was mentioned that they infuse their calcium with chakra to obtain manipulation of their skeleton structure. I believe it was also said that their physiology is abnormal, which is why Kabuto couldn't treat Kimimaro's terminal disease. Anyway, those two alone should likely give you a strong enough basis for an SC, I hope.

Spectre wrote:: Now, when speaking about the Senju, I think it's save to assume that every Senju here is pretty much a Carbon Copy Hashirama in that they all have Wood Release. This is not because of the character being a copy, but because here on US, every Senju has Wood Release, thus allowing them to push their abilities closer to that of his. In saying that, I think that the cellular regeneration for a Senju would not be too far fetched.

It's true that the Senju on US all have access to Mokuton, but that isn't to say they're all clones in the sense that Yamato is. I agree, cellular regeneration with that argument isn't too far fetched, but to play devil's advocate I would counter that just like the Uchiha clan has been nerfed to disallow the Mangekyou Sharingan, so too may the Senju clan from achieving something like cellular regeneration. I think you would have more luck with the Kaguya justification than with the Senju route, but that's just my opinion.

Spectre wrote:: Hybrid:
Well, I was working on a Sage mode with Darius, so you may or may not have seen it, though I do believe that things should be separate. I say this because Orochimaru was a Snake-spawn due to his own antics, seeing as he was unable to enter Sage mode as a result of his weak bodies. This may be because of the bodies he is "wearing", rather then his actual body just being too weak, though I am not sure whether that bit is all that's keeping him from using it. Who knows, maybe he had been able of using it once, back when he still had his own body, he was the White Snake Sage's favorite pupil once, so chances are that they may be related.

I haven't seen your senjutsu work, unfortunately. I would've liked to see how you approached it. You're right in that Orochimaru couldn't achieve full use of senjutsu because none of his host's bodies were strong enough. Kabuto on the other hand did his own set of experimentation, on others and himself, in order to obtain his dragon-like state—a perpetual Sage Mode.

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Cellular Mutation
From my understanding, you will need to have the Accustomed Transplant SC in order to gain another clan's special characteristics, such as the Uzumaki's immortality/lifeforce. You will need to create another version, however, to fit your specific desire. Which is what I was trying to explain to BK-, but my drift wasn't received as usual.

Kaguya don't possess an accellerated healing factor, going off the show. Kimimaro suffered from a terminal disease, had severe injuries done by Gaara that didn't heal, and if he did, Kabuto wouldn't need Karin's DNA when in his hybrid mode.

Cross Species Hybrid
Yes, you can. That's one of the cool things about this SC. As long as you don't gain all these unnessacry power boosts and just stick to specials general abilities there's no problem.

I'm just gonna ask my question here, regarding my old SC thing with BK201.

B2K wrote:: Rank is irrelevant; the only way for a Clanless member to gain a KKG is to graft bits and pieces of KKG wielding players onto themselves, like Danzo did with his bastardized Uchiha-Senju arm.

And you're not going to be altering any SCs, bub They exist as is, to be used as is, not altered at the whim of the players.

I'm going to Lock this. If you have any further questions/arguments, direct them in a PM or a Forum Assistance Topic.

That's absolutely incorrect. A clanless character has the option of creating their own element if they desire through the use of S.C's, as long as it's applied and approved for. Since when do I need to cut off the arm of a Yuki, graft it on, just so I can use Ice Release? That's rediculous. If I have the elements, and willing to give a high end SC slot, I should just get the element.

And S.C's can be altered to fit your charcters personal needs. They are not set in stone, and it's not one size fits all. That's why their called "special characteristics" The ones Todd and I made are general creations, ORIGINALLY, people made their own, and are stilled allowed to; hopefully. We just incorporated it into a system.

Sorry for flooding your topic Spectre with mine, hope you don't mind man!

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Euphoria wrote:: It's true that the Senju on US all have access to Mokuton, but that isn't to say they're all clones in the sense that Yamato is. I agree, cellular regeneration with that argument isn't too far fetched, but to play devil's advocate I would counter that just like the Uchiha clan has been nerfed to disallow the Mangekyou Sharingan, so too may the Senju clan from achieving something like cellular regeneration. I think you would have more luck with the Kaguya justification than with the Senju route, but that's just my opinion.

As a former Senju clan user, I agree that if the Uchiha clan got a nerf, the Senju should too. Besides, Mokuton is, in my opinion, the strongest and most versatile element in the world of Naruto, something other clans can only hope to get close to with their own shits and giggles.

Euphoria wrote:: Kaguya were never given much explanation as to how their bloodline works though If I recall correctly, it was mentioned that they infuse their calcium with chakra to obtain manipulation of their skeleton structure. I believe it was also said that their physiology is abnormal, which is why Kabuto couldn't treat Kimimaro's terminal disease. Anyway, those two alone should likely give you a strong enough basis for an SC, I hope.

I agree completely, though I just wanted to hear what other members and staff members of US were thinking regarding this topic. A lot of people do not like regeneration in the sense that it is OP. I believe that if you inflict sufficient damage, regeneration won't be able to do a single thing about, say, a gaping hole in your brain or having your heart blasted out of your chest. Regeneration can only do so much, and only Kinjutsu like what Tsunade had, or with Orochimaru's skin shedding that simply allowed him to rise from his own body without a scratch can regenerate internal organs by growing new ones.

Euphoria wrote:: I haven't seen your senjutsu work, unfortunately. I would've liked to see how you approached it. You're right in that Orochimaru couldn't achieve full use of senjutsu because none of his host's bodies were strong enough. Kabuto on the other hand did his own set of experimentation, on others and himself, in order to obtain his dragon-like state—a perpetual Sage Mode.

It's a shame that I don't talk to Cookie much these days, though I had a pretty solid Sage mode written up. It was fair in the sense that it would not last an entire fight, required one to actually sit on their ass and meditate during battle to generate Sage Chakra, while using Sage Mode Ninjutsu would drain a fuckton of said Sage Chakra and reduce the amount of time one can spend in Sage Mode. I mean, we all know how OP it is if people were to use it as Kabuto did, sucking Nature Chakra into his system through experimentation on Yuugo's clan and just strutting like a half-dragon abomination with pretty much an infinite duration on said Sage Mode. I believe that I balanced it out quite fairly, using Canon and Custom influences to make it fair.

I am going to put it up once I am done taking out the well known errors and things, hoping the Manga will give me more fuel to work with. But yeah, as things are, I should be Jounin within a month, so the Sage Mode I made should be up soon enough.

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Elder Sage wrote:: Kaguya don't possess an accellerated healing factor, going off the show. Kimimaro suffered from a terminal disease, had severe injuries done by Gaara that didn't heal, and if he did, Kabuto wouldn't need Karin's DNA when in his hybrid mode.

Having a terminal disease does not mean they don't have an accellerated healing factor, it just proves that a disease or a poison can kill them. And as I stated before, doing enough damage to overcome actual regeneration is also a way of simply nullifying or weakening its process. Kimimaro for one was in the process of being crushed completely, which is something you simply don't regenerate. As for the means of crushing, Gaara's sand was all over him, which I believe could just slow down or put a stop to regeneration of skin tissue and flesh. The mere fact that bones stab out of his body and the flesh and skin just closes up is in itself an indicator that he does in fact have the ability to regenerate to a certain extent.

Elder Sage wrote:: Sorry for flooding your topic Spectre with mine, hope you don't mind man!

I don't mind, I like hearing what other people think about the matter to see if they can change my point of view, or have me change theirs. It's all good.

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Spectre wrote:: As a former Senju clan user, I agree that if the Uchiha clan got a nerf, the Senju should too. Besides, Mokuton is, in my opinion, the strongest and most versatile element in the world of Naruto, something other clans can only hope to get close to with their own shits and giggles.

Mm. I'm with you on that. Certainly at least one of the most versatile if not the most.

Spectre wrote:: I agree completely, though I just wanted to hear what other members and staff members of US were thinking regarding this topic. A lot of people do not like regeneration in the sense that it is OP. I believe that if you inflict sufficient damage, regeneration won't be able to do a single thing about, say, a gaping hole in your brain or having your heart blasted out of your chest. Regeneration can only do so much, and only Kinjutsu like what Tsunade had, or with Orochimaru's skin shedding that simply allowed him to rise from his own body without a scratch can regenerate internal organs by growing new ones.

I'm not a huge fan of regeneration only because it takes away from the purpose of medics, even if only by a small increment. I agree that the potential for overpower would be the most cited reason, however.

Spectre wrote:: It's a shame that I don't talk to Cookie much these days, though I had a pretty solid Sage mode written up. It was fair in the sense that it would not last an entire fight, required one to actually sit on their ass and meditate during battle to generate Sage Chakra, while using Sage Mode Ninjutsu would drain a fuckton of said Sage Chakra and reduce the amount of time one can spend in Sage Mode. I mean, we all know how OP it is if people were to use it as Kabuto did, sucking Nature Chakra into his system through experimentation on Yuugo's clan and just strutting like a half-dragon abomination with pretty much an infinite duration on said Sage Mode. I believe that I balanced it out quite fairly, using Canon and Custom influences to make it fair.

I am going to put it up once I am done taking out the well known errors and things, hoping the Manga will give me more fuel to work with. But yeah, as things are, I should be Jounin within a month, so the Sage Mode I made should be up soon enough.

Indeed. That's good to hear, I'll be glad and interested to give it a read through whenever you happen to post it, though again, I'm no authority on these matters. Best of luck achieving Jounin. And thanks for understanding where I was coming from with my replies. Razz

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

http://www.ultimateshinobi.org/t10769-a-ranked-sc-s-for-yoroi-wip

So I worked out something with the information granted by you guys and things we discussed would and would not be possible, and I made a form of Violent Cellular Mutation that can quicken cellular regeneration, thus healing wounds. As a side effect, Yoroi's cells will attack sick cells and alien cells, replacing sick cells with brand new ones while assimilating alien cells into it's own ranks, so to say.

Spectre wrote:: Name: Violent Cellular Mutation
Rank: A
Type: Physical
Physical Requirements: Must possess Clan Master & Kaguya Clan
Training Requirements: A 1600 word training post is required to gain this special characteristic.
Description: Like the clan this peculiar mutation hails from, this mutation is a very violent one. Being an abnormality even among the Kaguya, Yoroi is capable of regenerating wounds and defeating most known sicknesses, attacking sick and broken cells and replacing them with new ones. When alien cells make their way into his system, his body can rapidly adapt to them as if they were his own. Normal Kaguya will only regenerate an area after one of their bones passed through, though Yoroi has managed to push himself past this limiter. At A rank, this form of regeneration is not advanced enough to be used for combat purposes.

Note that this is not something that can be used in combat, seeing as it is mostly fluff. It will however be a stepping stone for something more powerful at S rank, though I have not yet figured out how I will turn this into something useful that isn't the equivalent of an advanced medical ninjutsu. Trust me, it's hard.

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

US Staff wrote:: HEALING:

All Nin are assumed to recover from minor injuries without need of medical attention thanks to heightened metabolisms and the natural healing aspect of chakra coursing through their bodies. Scrapes, mild cuts, bruises and sprains etc. only affect the user for the duration of the battle and are not factored into any following conflicts, thread or missions.

[Significant injuries such as broken bones, deep wounds, organ damage. Indeed anything akin to a severe and sustained beating will take time to recover from, if not overly long thanks to the miracle of medical jutsu. Such injuries last for a full week during which the time the nin can not train, go on missions or engage in further battles but may take part in social/non strenuous threads.]

As stated within our systems, all shinobi already possess a good healing capability outside of battle.

The "best" thing I think you should do, if you want a regeneration s.c., is to have it where your character recovers from major injuries within a day/few day time span instead of a weeks worth. At S-rank, make it a full body recovery during a full night's sleep. But having a extremely active healing process during combat will fall into the eijutsu category. But as long as it's roleplay fluff, it won't do any harm, pun intended.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Hm I think Yoroi should also get metal claws >.O

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Hah, Wolverine puns

Age : 31 Posts : 18

Spectre wrote:

Euphoria wrote:: I haven't seen your senjutsu work, unfortunately. I would've liked to see how you approached it. You're right in that Orochimaru couldn't achieve full use of senjutsu because none of his host's bodies were strong enough. Kabuto on the other hand did his own set of experimentation, on others and himself, in order to obtain his dragon-like state—a perpetual Sage Mode.

It's a shame that I don't talk to Cookie much these days, though I had a pretty solid Sage mode written up. It was fair in the sense that it would not last an entire fight, required one to actually sit on their ass and meditate during battle to generate Sage Chakra, while using Sage Mode Ninjutsu would drain a fuckton of said Sage Chakra and reduce the amount of time one can spend in Sage Mode. I mean, we all know how OP it is if people were to use it as Kabuto did, sucking Nature Chakra into his system through experimentation on Yuugo's clan and just strutting like a half-dragon abomination with pretty much an infinite duration on said Sage Mode. I believe that I balanced it out quite fairly, using Canon and Custom influences to make it fair.

My biggest suggestions for a Sage mode would be: Give it prereqs; I would say something like Ninjutsu specialty, Advanced Chakra control (not really an option with its own Pre-reqs, but in theory), and then something else. Make it cost some of your own Chakra to activate. (Lets say 20 Chakra* is used first post, and then you have 40 'Sage' Chakra* open, this Chakra can be used for Sage typed Jutsu. If you have an inability to focus, you can't activate it. If you take significant damage, it breaks your focus (Especially easy while performing a Jutsu), and you snap out of it. Each post it remains active costs so much Chakra (which would still gain a net Sage Chakra, so in other words make it so its a force-drain of Chakra to remain it active.) When deactivated you loose all stored 'Sage' Chakra. In addition to this, if Sage mode is deactivated, it can not be activated again for 3-4 posts (or the whole battle. Another alternative being give it a post limit and a battle cap.). This would make it a more balanced, although still powerful, forced burn tool. The intent of the upkeep and forced Chakra generation is to prohibit it from being used as ONLY a physical boosting tool, and making it most effective to use all depths of the technique.

*All Chakra costs are contemporary, and arbitrary, primarily used for proof of concept, and are in no way intended to be balanced.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

I have in fact worked something out already, some people have seen it so far, though it incorporates a lot of the things you just brought up =P

Age : 31 Posts : 18

Spectre wrote:: I have in fact worked something out already, some people have seen it so far, though it incorporates a lot of the things you just brought up =P

Because I'm awesome! Just mostly trying to give ideas, in addition. I might have brought something up you hadn't thought of, and 'oh, that's a good idea.' Regardless, I'm still putzing around my application... Looks like today is a time for writing!

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What's the status of this topic?

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Solved

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Solved.