Activity

Age : 34 Posts : 344

While I'm forced to agree with the initial idea of this topic and the reasoning behind it, I have to say that, ultimately, all of this is pointless for the time being.

Inactivity will always be around and, similarly, people who go inactive out of the blue are bound to go inactive again. There are more than enough examples of 'respectable' members of a forum going inactive for no apparent reason, for a few weeks or months, and then popping up later claiming some reason kept them from logging on. Of course, there are legitimate cases of this situation when, in fact, people just WERE unable to get on, but then again, that is not the case for the majority.

Of course, people have other things to attend to in their lives. People have jobs or their education to take care of, they have families, friends, and hobbies. Some people have more time to devote to the forum, while others prefer to devote their time to other hobbies. That is true for every hobby and every thing in life, but that's not what should be being discussed here, in my opinion.

Naturally, people in high-ranking positions necessarily need to be of the first kind, those who are more than willing to devote a good share of their time to the forum and its members. Not only that, but they need to have a particular love for doing it. They need to want to do it, not for the position or power, but genuinely to help and care for the community. Lets face it, a good share people have flights of fancy and just want the power and respect for having a rank.

But in time, these people are consistently dragged out of the reverie by the reality of the situation - being in a high ranked position in an RPing forum, specially one with the concept on the level of Naruto, is nothing but sheer, hard work. Whether you're a Mod or a Kage (lets not even get into Adminship here...), you always have things to do, you always have things to plan and prepare. If you don't find yourself always doing something forum-related in your free time (within reason, naturally), then you're doing something wrong.

These high ranking positions aren't made to bring with them respect and fame. Quite the opposite. They're made because they're essential in allowing everyone else to follow their own path, to have fun, and to roleplay in whatever way they want. They're not for those who want the recognition for the sake of recognition, they're for whose who genuinely want to help, with the recognition coming later as an afterthought, as a sort of a pat on the back for a work well done.

It isn't too surprising, then, when these positions fail because it didn't meet the applicant's ideas of what they would be, or when the applicants simply find themselves unable to keep up with the work load. I'm not saying that every single Mod or Kage that failed was because of these reasons, not at all. That would be a faulty generalization and unfair to some people.

But the fact is that it happens. And when it happens, it's not the high-ranked people that are affected. It's not those who go inactive and don't really care that find their investment into the site damaged. No, it's those who devote their time to the forum, that come here every day and roleplay, whether a lot or not that much, those who pay attention to what's happening, even if they try to stay quiet and pretend things aren't happening, simply to avoid making waves.

The people who genuinely love the forum, love their characters and love the community are those that get the shorter stick in this whole situation - the very people who keep this forum alive. And this situation has at least been happening here since I've first joined, five months ago. And while five months might not be a very long time, in our perception of time, it certainly is when it comes to a forum such as this one.

With all that in mind, I'm not going to lie and pretend I've delved deeply into the affairs of this forum yet, or even all the replies of this very topic, but in my opinion there are still a few things that need to be said.

While real life events such as the academic life and work do take precedent over anything else, it is rather odd that some people (and here, I'm mostly referring to those with responsibilities of any kind) find themselves able to visit and work/roleplay on the sites, regardless of their real life, while others sometimes don't even appear at all for days on end. You can say it has to do with the differences in life styles, in careers, in academic methods, but in my opinion, it's simply not that.

It's determination and the will to contribute that bring people back, no matter little time they have. If people aren't willing or can't be bothered to dedicating their little free time into a forum, then should they really be allowed to have a high-ranked position? Do they have the forum's interest in consideration? I believe the whole 'work/school time has started, activity is going to drop' is nothing but a misconception and even a handy excuse, for some people. Now, I'm not trying to be unfair. I know, naturally, that activity drops around these times. But vanish completely, in the case of some people? That shouldn't be the case.

No one is asking the Mods or Kages to work hours on end. A little every day would help. If every Mod worked even a small amount every day or every couple of days, most of this would not be happening. But most don't, as far as I can tell and as far as people are saying in this topic.

So, of course, when a new Mod is signed up or an old Mod wants to actually begin working, they find themselves having to do everything. You can't depend on a single person to do everything, unless they are personally and completely invested into the forum. And even then, it never works out. The workload will always reduce one's desire to help to nothing. Remember people, this is a hobby, not a full-time job. And the moment a Mod starts feeling like it's more a case of the latter, they will undoubtedly lose their determination.

And, workhorses or not, they are people. They need to enjoy what they're doing. They need to be able to roleplay, and enjoy the fruits of their labor on the very forum they're devoting their time into. This isn't an excuse, however, to never do anything and just prance around flashing the 'Mod' badge whenever it favors them (which, I'm not saying is the case on this particular forum).

Ultimately, what this means, is that all of these issues branch out from a single, all-encompassing issue - lack of leadership or, otherwise, lack of organization. This can be the case in both Admins and Mods, but the first options is most often the case. Are the admins to blame for everything? Not necessarily. But it's their actions (or inactions...) that potentiate and capacitate these situations to arise, as well as their reactions to the situations themselves.

Addressing the specific issues at hand, suggested by the original creator of this topic, I would like to begin addressing the tournament idea. While not a bad idea in itself, I personally find it rather useless at this point. Why, you might ask? Well, because the forum has bigger, more important issues at hand. As mentioned by other posters here, apparently people are moaning left and right that their applications, modifications and other templates aren't being approved. People take weeks, sometimes, to finally be able to roleplay (at which point, their willingness to invest into the forum has already mostly died, anyway).

So, how would a tournament help, in this case? Certainly, if organized properly and its up and running quickly, it could boost the activity levels of existing members significantly - in the short term. What about the long term? How does the forum become sustainable, in terms of activity, in a constant way? Do tournaments one after the other?
All in all, like I already asserted, while it's not a bad idea, it seems to me more like a quick band-aid than a proper treatment to a much bigger, gaping wound.

As for the Kirigakure issue... I'm at a loss on that one. Either suggested solutions are ghastly, at best, no offense. Sure, once more, they may solve the problems of the people who are there and desperately want some kind of activity, some kind of involvement in a village. But is it really fair? Is it fair for people who chose to join Kirigakure, or Kumo, or Konoha to have their decision basically voided and forced to join something else, because a Kage isn't active, or doesn't work for the community he or she is supposed to be leading? Is it fair that, once again, the normal members are those who take the brunt of the consequences from poor decision-making and poor leadership?

I take, from the replies already presented in this topic, that there seems to have been some sort of constant changing of Kages, in some of these villages. And while that's disturbing, as it represents the inability to find someone trustworthy and truly able to coordinate the village into success, making the village vanish, still, does not resolve anything. What the people in these village need is leadership and to be given a purpose. And, of course, this can only be achieved with either a new Kage or an attitude change from the present Kage. As said before in this topic by, I believe, NuclearTreerat, every village needs a stable core of active roleplayers who keep it going and provide the basis for other people to join.

And in the center of this core, there needs to be a person capable of coordinating everything. A leader. One that realizes that being a leader doesn't mean you get to boast about it and use its powers solely for your advantage, or to monopolize the whole village around you and your character, but one who realizes that the biggest power a leader has is also his or hers biggest responsibility - to lay down the groundwork for everyone else, to set up the conditions for others to have fun. A leader isn't someone who makes other work. A leader is someone who works more than anyone else and, in consequence, inspires others to do the same. People need to realize this quickly and, with it, realize that not everyone is cut out to be a good leader, no matter how good their intentions are.

Addressing something else that is entirely related to the point above, I'd like to mention something that CleverYamanaka/Zack has said on this topic. And I'm not trying to go personal on this or somehow direct this at a single person, but it just strikes me as too clear to ignore. To me, what CleverYamanaka said on his first reply represents exactly what I find is wrong and may be leading to all these issues. Mods aren't working bees, Mods are helpers. Admins are the ones who need to pull their weight around. The admins manage and direct the forum based on their own vision. Naturally, they can't expect Mods to do all the work. Mods, too, are roleplayers (as are the Admins, but without the personal investment on the forum, most of the time) and they have to be seen as helpers, not slave labor. But this, I suppose, is nothing but a case of different opinions.

However, something else is what truly befuddles me.

"Then, there are members. Their job is to be active, loyal, peaceful members of the forum. Their job is to build characters, build plots, maintain stories of their own making, and have fun. To me, this topic reads like a member trying to act on staff duties. (...) As soon as you start treating a site like it's dying, you begin to kill it. And it happens fast. So stop this debate. The Staff team, as well as the leaders of each nation are going over their options."

Now, the first part. While I see Zack's side and reasoning behind the poll being something possibly considered out of line, it is completely unbelievable to me that a member would ever be chastised for discussing and addressing the blatant forum problems that, apparently, everyone can see. Of course, the staff may or may not agree with the opinion of said member, but hey - at least someone is trying.

While I personally don't agree with most ideas coming from Spectre, you can't blame the guy for attempting to bring up an issue he thought was wrong. Maybe it was done in the wrong way, that's not for me to decide. But that's not the point. The point is that that argument reeks of 'let the adults talk, go back to the playground'. Is that how you want the staff to treat members? I don't know about you, but that's something that does not fly with me. So hey - thank god my opinion counts for absolutely nothing since I'm not staff, right?

As for the second part... That's exactly the opposite of what, in my opinion, needs to be done. If you ignore the issues and problems at hand, they're not going to disappear. If you solve them slowly, they're not going to get any better with time. Hell, they're not going to stay the same with time. They're only going to get worse and worse. Every member you lose, every potential member that gets fed up with waiting weeks to be approved - that's a lost opportunity. That's a potential lost, someone who could possibly one day become extremely important to this forum, but never got the chance to prove their worth. There are a crapload of forums out there. It's the forums who need the stable members, not the other way around.

People need to realize that the most important part on a forum, just like with any company or working structure, is NOT the staff. Of course, the Admins make the most crucial decisions. Of course, the Mods work in their free time for the forum. But the most important part of ANY forum is the members. You can have the best staff, as qualified as they come, but without a stable community, the forum IS going to die.

The community of any forum is nothing short of its vital life. Rob a forum of its community, and it's nothing but an inside joke/private club between a couple of people, a dead husk shambling around, with no purpose, just waiting to drop dead. And while the community may or may not know better regarding the best future for the forum, they have to be heard. They have to be part of and taken in account when big decisions are on the table. To say 'stop worrying about it, and leave it for the staff, don't rush it' when this issue has been going on for apparently a long, long time is a clear sign of what might be wrong.

Again, I'm not trying to say Zack is the cause of this, or that he is a/the problem. All I'm saying is that, in the humble, meaningless opinion of a member who isn't even involved and, yet, can see all of this too clearly, the way Zack sees these issues is definitely not the best for the forum.

And to claim that Zack's ideas need to be respected and taken to a word simply because he's part of the staff... well... Let's just not get into that.

In sum... I guess that as a meaningless, uninvolved member of this forum, I'd like to thank you, Spectre, for coming out with something like this instead of mindlessly hoping it would be fixed and believing that just because someone is part of the staff, they know better (which it should be the other way around, no?). I may not agree with you all the time (in thoughts, of course, because I've never even bothered to post outside of roleplaying topics), but this time I have to give it to you. Though, maybe... next time, remember that, sometimes, less is more.

Huh. On a second thought, perhaps I should take my own advice on that last one... Man that was long. Just my two cents.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

Kage. wrote:: While I'm forced to agree with the initial idea of this topic and the reasoning behind it, I have to say that, ultimately, all of this is pointless for the time being.

Inactivity will always be around and, similarly, people who go inactive out of the blue are bound to go inactive again. There are more than enough examples of 'respectable' members of a forum going inactive for no apparent reason, for a few weeks or months, and then popping up later claiming some reason kept them from logging on. Of course, there are legitimate cases of this situation when, in fact, people just WERE unable to get on, but then again, that is not the case for the majority.

Of course, people have other things to attend to in their lives. People have jobs or their education to take care of, they have families, friends, and hobbies. Some people have more time to devote to the forum, while others prefer to devote their time to other hobbies. That is true for every hobby and every thing in life, but that's not what should be being discussed here, in my opinion.

Naturally, people in high-ranking positions necessarily need to be of the first kind, those who are more than willing to devote a good share of their time to the forum and its members. Not only that, but they need to have a particular love for doing it. They need to want to do it, not for the position or power, but genuinely to help and care for the community. Lets face it, a good share people have flights of fancy and just want the power and respect for having a rank.

But in time, these people are consistently dragged out of the reverie by the reality of the situation - being in a high ranked position in an RPing forum, specially one with the concept on the level of Naruto, is nothing but sheer, hard work. Whether you're a Mod or a Kage (lets not even get into Adminship here...), you always have things to do, you always have things to plan and prepare. If you don't find yourself always doing something forum-related in your free time (within reason, naturally), then you're doing something wrong.

These high ranking positions aren't made to bring with them respect and fame. Quite the opposite. They're made because they're essential in allowing everyone else to follow their own path, to have fun, and to roleplay in whatever way they want. They're not for those who want the recognition for the sake of recognition, they're for whose who genuinely want to help, with the recognition coming later as an afterthought, as a sort of a pat on the back for a work well done.

It isn't too surprising, then, when these positions fail because it didn't meet the applicant's ideas of what they would be, or when the applicants simply find themselves unable to keep up with the work load. I'm not saying that every single Mod or Kage that failed was because of these reasons, not at all. That would be a faulty generalization and unfair to some people.

But the fact is that it happens. And when it happens, it's not the high-ranked people that are affected. It's not those who go inactive and don't really care that find their investment into the site damaged. No, it's those who devote their time to the forum, that come here every day and roleplay, whether a lot or not that much, those who pay attention to what's happening, even if they try to stay quiet and pretend things aren't happening, simply to avoid making waves.

The people who genuinely love the forum, love their characters and love the community are those that get the shorter stick in this whole situation - the very people who keep this forum alive. And this situation has at least been happening here since I've first joined, five months ago. And while five months might not be a very long time, in our perception of time, it certainly is when it comes to a forum such as this one.

With all that in mind, I'm not going to lie and pretend I've delved deeply into the affairs of this forum yet, or even all the replies of this very topic, but in my opinion there are still a few things that need to be said.

While real life events such as the academic life and work do take precedent over anything else, it is rather odd that some people (and here, I'm mostly referring to those with responsibilities of any kind) find themselves able to visit and work/roleplay on the sites, regardless of their real life, while others sometimes don't even appear at all for days on end. You can say it has to do with the differences in life styles, in careers, in academic methods, but in my opinion, it's simply not that.

It's determination and the will to contribute that bring people back, no matter little time they have. If people aren't willing or can't be bothered to dedicating their little free time into a forum, then should they really be allowed to have a high-ranked position? Do they have the forum's interest in consideration? I believe the whole 'work/school time has started, activity is going to drop' is nothing but a misconception and even a handy excuse, for some people. Now, I'm not trying to be unfair. I know, naturally, that activity drops around these times. But vanish completely, in the case of some people? That shouldn't be the case.

No one is asking the Mods or Kages to work hours on end. A little every day would help. If every Mod worked even a small amount every day or every couple of days, most of this would not be happening. But most don't, as far as I can tell and as far as people are saying in this topic.

So, of course, when a new Mod is signed up or an old Mod wants to actually begin working, they find themselves having to do everything. You can't depend on a single person to do everything, unless they are personally and completely invested into the forum. And even then, it never works out. The workload will always reduce one's desire to help to nothing. Remember people, this is a hobby, not a full-time job. And the moment a Mod starts feeling like it's more a case of the latter, they will undoubtedly lose their determination.

And, workhorses or not, they are people. They need to enjoy what they're doing. They need to be able to roleplay, and enjoy the fruits of their labor on the very forum they're devoting their time into. This isn't an excuse, however, to never do anything and just prance around flashing the 'Mod' badge whenever it favors them (which, I'm not saying is the case on this particular forum).

Ultimately, what this means, is that all of these issues branch out from a single, all-encompassing issue - lack of leadership or, otherwise, lack of organization. This can be the case in both Admins and Mods, but the first options is most often the case. Are the admins to blame for everything? Not necessarily. But it's their actions (or inactions...) that potentiate and capacitate these situations to arise, as well as their reactions to the situations themselves.

Addressing the specific issues at hand, suggested by the original creator of this topic, I would like to begin addressing the tournament idea. While not a bad idea in itself, I personally find it rather useless at this point. Why, you might ask? Well, because the forum has bigger, more important issues at hand. As mentioned by other posters here, apparently people are moaning left and right that their applications, modifications and other templates aren't being approved. People take weeks, sometimes, to finally be able to roleplay (at which point, their willingness to invest into the forum has already mostly died, anyway).

So, how would a tournament help, in this case? Certainly, if organized properly and its up and running quickly, it could boost the activity levels of existing members significantly - in the short term. What about the long term? How does the forum become sustainable, in terms of activity, in a constant way? Do tournaments one after the other?
All in all, like I already asserted, while it's not a bad idea, it seems to me more like a quick band-aid than a proper treatment to a much bigger, gaping wound.

As for the Kirigakure issue... I'm at a loss on that one. Either suggested solutions are ghastly, at best, no offense. Sure, once more, they may solve the problems of the people who are there and desperately want some kind of activity, some kind of involvement in a village. But is it really fair? Is it fair for people who chose to join Kirigakure, or Kumo, or Konoha to have their decision basically voided and forced to join something else, because a Kage isn't active, or doesn't work for the community he or she is supposed to be leading? Is it fair that, once again, the normal members are those who take the brunt of the consequences from poor decision-making and poor leadership?

I take, from the replies already presented in this topic, that there seems to have been some sort of constant changing of Kages, in some of these villages. And while that's disturbing, as it represents the inability to find someone trustworthy and truly able to coordinate the village into success, making the village vanish, still, does not resolve anything. What the people in these village need is leadership and to be given a purpose. And, of course, this can only be achieved with either a new Kage or an attitude change from the present Kage. As said before in this topic by, I believe, NuclearTreerat, every village needs a stable core of active roleplayers who keep it going and provide the basis for other people to join.

And in the center of this core, there needs to be a person capable of coordinating everything. A leader. One that realizes that being a leader doesn't mean you get to boast about it and use its powers solely for your advantage, or to monopolize the whole village around you and your character, but one who realizes that the biggest power a leader has is also his or hers biggest responsibility - to lay down the groundwork for everyone else, to set up the conditions for others to have fun. A leader isn't someone who makes other work. A leader is someone who works more than anyone else and, in consequence, inspires others to do the same. People need to realize this quickly and, with it, realize that not everyone is cut out to be a good leader, no matter how good their intentions are.

Addressing something else that is entirely related to the point above, I'd like to mention something that CleverYamanaka/Zack has said on this topic. And I'm not trying to go personal on this or somehow direct this at a single person, but it just strikes me as too clear to ignore. To me, what CleverYamanaka said on his first reply represents exactly what I find is wrong and may be leading to all these issues. Mods aren't working bees, Mods are helpers. Admins are the ones who need to pull their weight around. The admins manage and direct the forum based on their own vision. Naturally, they can't expect Mods to do all the work. Mods, too, are roleplayers (as are the Admins, but without the personal investment on the forum, most of the time) and they have to be seen as helpers, not slave labor. But this, I suppose, is nothing but a case of different opinions.

However, something else is what truly befuddles me.

"Then, there are members. Their job is to be active, loyal, peaceful members of the forum. Their job is to build characters, build plots, maintain stories of their own making, and have fun. To me, this topic reads like a member trying to act on staff duties. (...) As soon as you start treating a site like it's dying, you begin to kill it. And it happens fast. So stop this debate. The Staff team, as well as the leaders of each nation are going over their options."

Now, the first part. While I see Zack's side and reasoning behind the poll being something possibly considered out of line, it is completely unbelievable to me that a member would ever be chastised for discussing and addressing the blatant forum problems that, apparently, everyone can see. Of course, the staff may or may not agree with the opinion of said member, but hey - at least someone is trying.

While I personally don't agree with most ideas coming from Spectre, you can't blame the guy for attempting to bring up an issue he thought was wrong. Maybe it was done in the wrong way, that's not for me to decide. But that's not the point. The point is that that argument reeks of 'let the adults talk, go back to the playground'. Is that how you want the staff to treat members? I don't know about you, but that's something that does not fly with me. So hey - thank god my opinion counts for absolutely nothing since I'm not staff, right?

As for the second part... That's exactly the opposite of what, in my opinion, needs to be done. If you ignore the issues and problems at hand, they're not going to disappear. If you solve them slowly, they're not going to get any better with time. Hell, they're not going to stay the same with time. They're only going to get worse and worse. Every member you lose, every potential member that gets fed up with waiting weeks to be approved - that's a lost opportunity. That's a potential lost, someone who could possibly one day become extremely important to this forum, but never got the chance to prove their worth. There are a crapload of forums out there. It's the forums who need the stable members, not the other way around.

People need to realize that the most important part on a forum, just like with any company or working structure, is NOT the staff. Of course, the Admins make the most crucial decisions. Of course, the Mods work in their free time for the forum. But the most important part of ANY forum is the members. You can have the best staff, as qualified as they come, but without a stable community, the forum IS going to die.

The community of any forum is nothing short of its vital life. Rob a forum of its community, and it's nothing but an inside joke/private club between a couple of people, a dead husk shambling around, with no purpose, just waiting to drop dead. And while the community may or may not know better regarding the best future for the forum, they have to be heard. They have to be part of and taken in account when big decisions are on the table. To say 'stop worrying about it, and leave it for the staff, don't rush it' when this issue has been going on for apparently a long, long time is a clear sign of what might be wrong.

Again, I'm not trying to say Zack is the cause of this, or that he is a/the problem. All I'm saying is that, in the humble, meaningless opinion of a member who isn't even involved and, yet, can see all of this too clearly, the way Zack sees these issues is definitely not the best for the forum.

And to claim that Zack's ideas need to be respected and taken to a word simply because he's part of the staff... well... Let's just not get into that.

In sum... I guess that as a meaningless, uninvolved member of this forum, I'd like to thank you, Spectre, for coming out with something like this instead of mindlessly hoping it would be fixed and believing that just because someone is part of the staff, they know better (which it should be the other way around, no?). I may not agree with you all the time (in thoughts, of course, because I've never even bothered to post outside of roleplaying topics), but this time I have to give it to you. Though, maybe... next time, remember that, sometimes, less is more.

Huh. On a second thought, perhaps I should take my own advice on that last one... Man that was long. Just my two cents.

This so much bears repeating. Its so many of the problems this site has had, is having, and keeps having and it gets to the core of the problem. Basically, too many staff members at all levels take up the post for the power/ prestige/ respect/ ego boost and have no real inclination for the grunt work that goes into being staff. Its also the root of another problem that wasn't mentioned except maybe indirectly. Corruption. Yes, I'm accusing at least part of the staff of seeking to advance their own interests (namely ego/ prestige) ahead of sound judgement and the sites well-being. Not in the sense of "do/ say this or I won't approve" but in intentionally selecting those who fill spots - especially the Creation staff - with those who aren't qualified but are part of their clique. And it's created a self-perpetuating culture where needed changes are not merely ignored but active opposed and those whose only disqualification from being staff is refusing to accept the status quo yet are benched for repeat offenders in negligence and dereliction.

Just look at the list now - 1 has repeatedly vanished from the site while a staff member, another has been outright accused by another staff member of doing literally nothing, and a third only came back when he became the lightning rod for complaints. On top of that we have an admin who is only rarely active and another whose so mercurial that it seems as if progress among the active staff is a "2 steps forward 3 steps back" affair. Yet not one inkling from the people who are supposed to deal with this sort of thing before it becomes critical that they are taking steps and instead allow the same people to repeat the same mistakes. If that isn't a clear-cut case of turning a blind eye to a problem in exchange for something then I have no idea what a sane person would consider corruption.

Frankly when that sort of thing happens in a workplace the company either doesn't last long or they go outside their ranks to bring in new management who then proceed to conduct the HR equivalent of slash-and-burn weed control. Unfortunately we lack shareholders who can force out the root of the problem and there is no real press eager to gain a Pulitzer for stories that cause stock prices to tumble. Of course there is word of mouth and frankly what I've seen relating to US is not very good anymore. Lots of people comparing it to Ingoo and pointing how similar the situations are becoming.

Suggested fix? Well, one easy way is to open all the inactive slots for replacement whether the admins are online or not and then throw it open for a general election. Yes it could become a popularity-based thing, but even that would be better than the self-perpetuating clique of barely-adequate and ultimately irresponsible sock puppets who keep those spots warm at this moment. At the very least it puts the worry of getting tossed out with little to no chance of rising to any position if they utterly fail. Right now staff who bail simply laugh it off knowing that as long as they're good at blowing the admins no amount of incompetence will see them permanently ejected. Only breaking ranks and refusing to continue ignoring the problem will see that happen.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

For what's it worth, I'm back o.o

Now which Kumo member wants to feel the whip first?

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Nukerat wrote:: Suggested fix? Well, one easy way is to open all the inactive slots for replacement whether the admins are online or not and then throw it open for a general election. Yes it could become a popularity-based thing, but even that would be better than the self-perpetuating clique of barely-adequate and ultimately irresponsible sock puppets who keep those spots warm at this moment. At the very least it puts the worry of getting tossed out with little to no chance of rising to any position if they utterly fail. Right now staff who bail simply laugh it off knowing that as long as they're good at blowing the admins no amount of incompetence will see them permanently ejected. Only breaking ranks and refusing to continue ignoring the problem will see that happen.

I like this, lol.

It's not like everyone is doing it, but we all know just how many people have just gone and left either for no reason or for Uni/School related stuff. Though I won't say each and everyone one of them is just incompetent, because that's not true. I do believe that we need to clear out some empty spaces, and I don't need to point out just who those people are.

Age : 29 Posts : 3640

I'M BACK NOW SO LIEK, NO EXCUSES

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Wildfire wrote:: I'M BACK NOW SO LIEK, NO EXCUSES

No one is blaming you, you are actually balancing school crap, RPing and moderating, so you're doing just fine in my book. I won't point out all the bad and all the good ones, the people I speak of know who does a poor job and who does great without it =P

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

Get bent. I go inactive cause this place is run worse than a Pakistani convenience store in the middle of Karachi, which is to say it's not run very well.

P.S.

Don't send PMs claiming that this is an activity check. It's really fucking pathetic.

Age : 30 Posts : 1688

Err, can I solve this?

I dont see much use in it sticking around. Anyone else have anything else bright to say before I do so?

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

TOPKite wrote:: Get bent. I go inactive cause this place is run worse than a Pakistani convenience store in the middle of Karachi, which is to say it's not run very well.

I only got this joke when I saw your Skype, so a delayed "Lol" seems fitting here.

And yeah, this can be considered Solved.

Age : 30 Posts : 1688

Solved.