Profession training.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

I know I've been posting a lot of topics lately, but I have really high muse, and I'd like to get Saboteur While I have this. Seeing as Staff hasn't really been on chatbox and such, I didn't know who had enough muse to get a training topic in.

I know the rules state that it -has- to be staff, but what happens when Staff doesn't have muse to rp it? What options do we have then?

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Also posting in this because I too want saboteur.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Just finish the professions guide already (no one knows how to get professions still xD )

A simple section (for professions) in the Requests Forum is all we need :/

Age : 34 Posts : 718

I completed a profession thread for blacksmithing before I left but that profession isn't even available anymore. Can I get refunded a profession?

http://www.ultimateshinobi.org/t7334-craftsman-eval

Age : 28 Posts : 2538

I'd be willing to roleplay as an NPC with both of you. You could even both train for the Profession in the same topic, if you can find an IC way to explain it. If not, I can do it with you both separately, or you could even NPC for each other, being as you're both staff.

However, I agree with what Chris said. More needs to be said about Professions in the Guides to avoid this kind of confusion in the future.

Age : 31 Posts : 1637

Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

That's just lazy. It takes two seconds to make forum in the Requests section. Another 5 to make a simple template.

Shame on you guys.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

Staff is already backed up as it is, much less do I see many besides Zack and Ms Rp. Neutral

I may go with Aarons suggestions and train it with Akira in-character seeing that they both would agree instantly that they need to learn to take down village defenses. With Mokuzai in Konoha, I can come up with something that he saw in the village.

Age : 31 Posts : 1637

Chris wrote:

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

That's just lazy. It takes two seconds to make forum in the Requests section. Another 5 to make a simple template.

Shame on you guys.

I'd think it would be lazier to just throw up a template than make missions tailored to each profession so that there's a standard of what's done to gain each profession.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

TwinnyPuppy wrote:

Chris wrote:

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

That's just lazy. It takes two seconds to make forum in the Requests section. Another 5 to make a simple template.

Shame on you guys.

I'd think it would be lazier to just throw up a template than make missions tailored to each profession so that there's a standard of what's done to gain each profession.

With that being said, a simple request area does not mean that the staff (which I am not inferring that the staff in generally is initially at fault for this) will have any more productive of a response time with the profession threads even if there is a request area.

They are already backed up with creations/evals/staff lounge work/ so on and so forth, it's exceptionally difficult to roleplay actively whilst on staff, let alone NPC not to mention the fact that most people either work or are in school also.

A request are would only then create another section and another asinine step in the process. Even with the smallest amount of thought you can see that is not a productive suggestion, one might even call it a lazy one at that.

If Missions can be made and added, it simply means they would have to be applied for and completed (Im making an assumption on ignorance here) solo on your own time and then evaluated for completion, which eases the initial burden both on staff and the member base.

Age : 35 Posts : 1492

lifeanddeath wrote:

TwinnyPuppy wrote:

Chris wrote:

TwinnyPuppy wrote:: Missions specifically for the purpose of acquiring professions are currently in the works - until then, though, the method of getting a staff member to RP with / NPC for you will still be the way to go.

That's just lazy. It takes two seconds to make forum in the Requests section. Another 5 to make a simple template.

Shame on you guys.

I'd think it would be lazier to just throw up a template than make missions tailored to each profession so that there's a standard of what's done to gain each profession.

With that being said, a simple request area does not mean that the staff (which I am not inferring that the staff in generally is initially at fault for this) will have any more productive of a response time with the profession threads even if there is a request area.

They are already backed up with creations/evals/staff lounge work/ so on and so forth, it's exceptionally difficult to roleplay actively whilst on staff, let alone NPC not to mention the fact that most people either work or are in school also.

A request are would only then create another section and another asinine step in the process. Even with the smallest amount of thought you can see that is not a productive suggestion, one might even call it a lazy one at that.

If Missions can be made and added, it simply means they would have to be applied for and completed (Im making an assumption on ignorance here) solo on your own time and then evaluated for completion, which eases the initial burden both on staff and the member base.

^ That.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Beyond that, with my non-staff judgment, I do not see a reason against allowing members to NPC for professions as long as they are evaluated to the same standard at completion.

Age : 28 Posts : 2538

lifeanddeath wrote:: Beyond that, with my non-staff judgment, I do not see a reason against allowing members to NPC for professions as long as they are evaluated to the same standard at completion.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

The point is that most people have no idea how to apply for a profession. The guide doesn't specify how. So we get these topics. I like the sound of getting professions through missions. But until that's finished, it only takes an insignificant amount of time to put up a template and a section in the Request Area so that members don't have to try their luck by pming random members of staff or post up FA topics.

The reason for why eval staff are getting back logs comes down to mismanagement. If you look at the evaluation section, every single topic is tagged. A tag should show that you're about to evaluate the topic and you don't want another mod to trouble themselves. A tag shouldn't be blocking other mods from evaluating topics for multiple hours, not to mention days. At the moment, Amy is rendered useless since she can't eval anything, even if she wanted to. Puppy is similarly 'blocked'.

As for creations, I don't really see anything that constitutes a backlog.

Members NPCing for others sounds good enough. It would be even better if members who already had the profession introduced new members to it.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Much logic. Strong Arguments.

For future reference when you make an argument, do try to stick with the same points rather than jump to another one as soon as you get shut down.

The point is that the missions would clear up the confusion about how to gain a professions. The point is that creating an entire section and to some degree a whole new system for members and staff to adapt to only to create an entirely new structure a week or two later ? As I said, Much logic, strong arguments.

The reason why Eval staff is backed up is because of lack of staff members. Not mismanagement, you cant mismanage something if there is a lack of resources that you can manage to begin with. Amy/Alex/Jodi/Heida and Darius all have their respective real life issues to deal with and thus cannot be always expected to eval topics at the drop of a hat. On top of that they cant eval their own threads so the system loops inward on itself.

And no, tagging is a method for someone to make sure they they get to eval a topic, however given the lengthy nature of some topics it is unreasonable to expect it to get done immediately after getting tagged. Granted if a topic is tagged and not evaled within a lengthy period of time, it can be evaluated by another eval mod, but given that for the most part (unless you are on the cusp of a new rank) a topic eval does not hinder your ability to roleplay actively.

I'll make the point once again, that given real life issues and the understaffed nature present in staff in general does not constitute a lack of management over the section itself.

If you are going to call someone lazy, actually give a reason why it's lazy rather than attempting to create an entirely unnecessary step in the 'solution' which will be rendered obsolete in a short enough span of time.

On another note, the missions would allow people to gain their professions in a solo manner on their own time, rather than having to take the time of other people which then can be graded much in the same manner as topics to gain summons are graded.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

.-. You still need a place to request the mission/profession.

The reason why I want this 'unnecessary step' is because currently, there is no step whatsoever. If you know that you have to PM a staff member, great; you still have to try your luck though, since God knows which staffer has enough free time to do this for you.

If you don't know about this, well. Tough luck.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

lifeanddeath wrote:: The point is that creating an entire section and to some degree a whole new system for members and staff to adapt to only to create an entirely new structure a week or two later ?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

lifeanddeath wrote:

lifeanddeath wrote:: The point is that creating an entire section and to some degree a whole new system for members and staff to adapt to only to create an entirely new structure a week or two later ?

It's not an entirely new structure D: As I said, you still have to request the mission and you need somewhere to do so. You could do it in the Missions section, true, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea to have Profession requests mixed with a stream of regular missions.

Age : 31 Posts : 1637

Chris wrote:: As I said, you still have to request the mission and you need somewhere to do so. You could do it in the Missions section, true, but I'm not sure it would be a good idea to have Profession requests mixed with a stream of regular missions.

Profession requests are far fewer than the other mission requests, so having an entirely separate section for them is unnecessary. While it's true that they would be mixed in with the other, more regular stream, all it takes to identify them is a little tag in the title of the request and the fact that the actual mission itself will state what it's for.

I understand what you're getting at, but like I said, I don't think an entirely new section for them is really necessary.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

So can I train Sab with Satan instead of waiting on staff or? Didn't mean for this to get into a whole 'fix this part' but eh.

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Cross wrote:: So can I train Sab with Satan.

I look forward to it. Only thing is, would we not need someone to be a NPC that was already a Saboteur?

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Quote :: I look forward to it. Only thing is, would we not need someone to be a NPC that was already a Saboteur?

Honestly. Not sure. Maybe.

If we have to get an NPC; Who would do it for the both of us?

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Any update on this by the way?

Age : 31 Posts : 1637

All of the missions have been written up, and it's now just a matter of getting the okay on them. I hope to have them up by the end of the week, but that's only an estimate.