Just curious on why this is banned.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

I was bored and skimmed the forbidden jutsu so I wouldn't make anything that had the same effects as most of those and I ran up across

Hachimon Activation - The ninja body has a large chakra circulatory system that is steadily controlled with chakra gates. Through advanced training, the user is able to activate these gates to unleash tremendous amounts of power. With eight gates total, the more gates active the stronger the user is. Upon opening the eighth gate, one gains unparalleled power, capable of taking down a Kage, but at the cost of their life.

Now, my questions around this being banned are mostly personal, but if any one else wants to ask anything about any other banned item, then shoot away.

Neway.

With the drawbacks that come from it: Death with the last gate open, and naturally each gate opens one after another. Why specifically is it banned? I can understand the eighth gate being banned, but you the others aren't that bad. I mean, Tailed beast forms on this site pretty much give the effects of the gates to a select few with the increased strength, regen and such.

So why exactly is this banned when it's allowed on site with another form acquired by Jins?

Edit: Apparently the Jin's forms also stack with any other speed/acro/strength Sc that they have, making them incredibly powerful.

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

The reason this was banned was due to the fact that Hachiman is an increadibly powerful technique that allows for one to boost their physical stats considerably for the supposed trade off of death. While anyone can say "Oh well the risk of death is a suitable trade-off" the fact remains that absolutely no one will truly play out their character dying from the effects of using this jutsu. Since this technique's "cost" is essentially left to the member to rp out, they will most always miraculously pull through (God Mod, much?).

The other thing is pretty much anyone with Taijutsu as a spec have the potential to learn this technique, it is not a limited thing like the Jinchuriki in which there is a process of evaluation and approval by the site's admins. Those who are given Jin slots are assumed to possess both the skill and maturity to not abuse their limited slot and as such they are granted these powers which are admittedly immense, but also cost a ton of chakra to use and as such the "trade off" is very real by site standards rather than a vague "chance of death".

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Kinda getting sick of Jinchuuriki getting more and more while the rest of us can't even get a decent Chidori, yet Edo Tensei is a thing here. The gates are empowering the user and give them temporary perks during battle. Also, the final gate is the gate of death, the others are empowering the user, not killing them.

Do what you guys did for Edo and Bijuu sealing, make it so that only people with Taijutsu as main or sub can get it, make it have a ridiculous prize in terms of purchasing it and tie a training topic. I already saw how things like Sage mode got banned because some people can't handle it when something makes it to the site that can easily be regulated. This also goes for the Eight Gates. It can be made into a fair addition to the site that a select few S ranked Taijutsu users can get to make Taijutsu as useful as high ranking Genjutsu, Fuuinjutsu or Medical Ninjutsu, things that also have insane powers. Taijutsu will always be restricted to the fighting prowess of the writer, so if a select few good writers get this, there really isn't any harm in it, seeing as we have plenty people that got permission to make Bijuu, only to leave or go inactive and doing nothing with it. The only thing I ask is that if something like this does actually get past the wall of "Omg, this might actually make one temporarily fight on par with a Jinchuuriki that can regenerate, has a fuckton of chakra and chakra nukes, that's so OP", that you don't make it as fucking retarded and useless as Chidori and Raikiri. They suck anus and people should fix it.

That's all I have to say about it, though I don't expect anyone to listen. If they do, it will just become another retarded piece of crap that will arguably be worse than Chidori and Raikiri, something that sounds impossible, though I am sure people can make it happen.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

Verg was right in his post, saying that Jin do get away with certain things and only go inactive or just forget the site. :/. Why are they the only ones trusted with some OP (no offense guys, just asking questions.) thing and the rest of the site who work from genin to S - rank doesn't really get anything to show that off.

It's not like they'll go around and use it like candy. It's not even possible lol. It's one of those moves that are only used when they need it and does end up losing that character for that choice. Once again, the Jin pretty much get the gates abilities without the drawbacks of bones being crushed, turning to ash, etc.

As for everyone getting the gate, the staff could limit it. That's not something that every should be able to get, like applying for limited spots and such. They could be well thought out and given to the people that show they worked for it, rather than just getting it, going inactive and taking up slots.

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The simple fact of the matter, I think, is that the Hacimon gates are simply way too OP. Rock Lee was able to, with just 3 gates, batter Gaara around like a ping-pong ball and was likely moving at such speeds that even the Sharingan couldn't keep up with him. Open even more gates... Well, from the looks of the Manga, Gai's father, who was such a hopeless case of inadequacy that he was perma-genin, was still somehow able to hold off all seven of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist, apparently. And then we have Gai's use of the gates; his final tech was of sufficient strength to shatter Madara's ribs, shatter ever bone in Gai's leg, and basically char his body to ash from the chakra discharge. That shit will mess a mother fucker up.

Tl;dr version

The Hachimon gates are simply too powerful to tone back in any meaningful way without rendering them useless.

And Vergil, I swear, every god damned day with you it's always the fucking Bijuu. Get over it! Just curious on why this is banned. 287405

Just curious on why this is banned. 287405

Age : 37 Posts : 2201

Vergil wrote:: Kinda getting sick of Jinchuuriki getting more and more while the rest of us can't even get a decent Chidori,

Vergil wrote:: The only thing I ask is that if something like this does actually get past the wall of "Omg, this might actually make one temporarily fight on par with a Jinchuuriki that can regenerate, has a fuckton of chakra and chakra nukes, that's so OP",

Just curious on why this is banned. JpyTI

Are we always getting more and more things but I am left out? Where are all these things?! And where exactly did you see that Jins can regenerate on here? I'd very much like to use that ability then. :p

But Travis and Eric are both right. Either it'd be godmodded so that the user would not die after having done all the crazy shit. Or this tech would get nerf'd down until it'd be sort of useless.

Age : 30 Posts : 614

I think it can be a useful means of death. I'm not entirely sure nobody would kill their character upon the unlocking of the eighth gate. Not everyone role-plays with the same motivation, or with the same intention. One who seeks better opportunities by maximizing the power of the story regardless of the costs might use it for good literary causes. Concluding otherwise without any prior example from our member base is fallacious; a hasty generalization.

It is logical, however, to reduce the base power of the technique so that the chances of misuseage decrease while allowing this to remain an open technique. The rewriting and reproportioning of the gates would simply require some discussion and further edits. There are simple steps that can be implemented to restrict access to the technique still. You can require that each additional gate be unlocked via a thread, much like each additional tail for a Jinchuuriki; also, it can be directly restricted to taijutsu users. If you wish to keep it really inaccessible to the general public, make specific SCs required as well.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

You say I am always bashing on Jinchuuriki, though I don't see anything useful for us Non-Jinchuuriki that we don't have to make ourselves. A Jinchuuriki can pull shit like that by entering tailed states while any kind of physical boost we get first has to go through a whole wave of bitching about how it is OP, because lets face it, anything not Bijuu-related just HAS to be weak. That said, you're making things way too easy by saying it can't be done without even trying to make it work, though that seems to be the way you function best.

If it was to be limited to Admin permission, a large fund cost and a training thread in terms of OOC, that would already make it hard for everyone to get it, which is even more true when you consider that not that many people have bothered getting Taijutsu and are all drooling over weaponry, ninjutsu and genjutsu at low ranks, only getting it as a third spec or simply not getting it because the rest is better, something you for one (Travis) can't ignore after that PM you've sent me a year ago.

With the OOC bit covered, it is really not that hard to further limit the amount of gates people can get by having it so that it functions similar to Chidori and Raikiri, meaning you need to get Chidori + a set of SC's first and get Raikiri once you have Chidori and another set of SC's in place. If this was enforced, getting all eight gates would not only be very expensive, it would require a lot of time before someone actually gets them all. Kakashi has shown to be able to release the first gate, though that was all he had going for him. It's not like someone getting a first gate means they will also get the last, that's just the beauty of Admin permission and further limitations of a useful technique.

As for it's combat uses, making it so that is weakens the user a bit in terms of physical power once the technique ends by matching it with the amount of posts that is has been active will add a sufficient drawback. Increasing these drawbacks would depend on the current Gate someone is in, where the eventual drawback for the Eighth Gate would be death the moment it is turned off, which is when someone would turn to ash.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

~~I need more coffee for this...~~ First I am going to discuss the Jins in relation to the Eight Gates, then I am going to ream Vergil for using this thread purely to vent his rage and failing to take the time to actually construct a semi-decent point, after which I will address cross, then I am going to go into a semi-lengthy discussion about Eight Gates.

Writers Note: There are likely going to be parts of this where my grammar is rather bad, but I cannot really be fucked to proofread to the Nth degree. There are also likely to be parts of this where I break my generally cordial staff facade, likely to prove a point. I did promise to behave, but there's some things a man's just gotta say.

Alright, FIRST anything on the Jin's page is more than likely outdated by means of reference and cannot be accurately used as a comparison. The two tails is the closest to being up to date and even that could use a bit more work [no offence meant to Eric], but the guy who was supposed to edit them ditched the staff team and has subsequently been too busy to finish them. (I.E Me.) Thus, to use them as a form of comparison for anything would just lead to badly drawn points... kind of like this one.

SECONDLY because somewhere along the lines someone thought Jins were relevant to the argument for Eight Gates, I am going to disabuse everyone of that notion right now. Jins are not eight gates nor should they be compared to such. Their bonuses (although theoretically similar to the physical bonuses gained from eight gates) are not achieved in the same manner, nor do they function the same way. Jins are limited because they are powerful in potential, however in the long history of US having Jins, how many have even gotten close to actually being able to use anything beyond the massive chakra amount ? Oh yeah. One. Now there might be a number of factors involved in the reasons as to why, but the point still stands.

Additionally, either the tailed forms can give specific stat [used here not to reference an actual stat system but rather a physical attribute for anyone incapable of using context clues] or we can grant them exceptionally strong techniques and further when in any of the tailed states their might as well be a chakra drain on them breathing. Given the limitations on entering tailed states, you literally have to be prepared and go tailed form upon entering a fight to allow it to be exceptionally useful. They are limited to select people, much like Uchiha, Haretsu and a few custom clans for reasons of possible potential.

Even further, I do like how everybody uses the percentage gains in said Jin pages as a means to prove their point before asking the very important question. Do these gains stack in an additive manner or a multiplicative manner? As they both amount to very different gains.

At any rate the limited techniques do not exist as a means to compare to Bijuu/Jins. They are not meant as something to give you the ability to combat Jin. They are however, meant to reward those of ability for role playing. They are meant to be relatively strong in combat. They are meant to give flavor to your character.

Alright Vergil, please show me where Jins are getting 'more and more' because as far as I can see the Jins have been relatively stagnant in what they are capable of getting because of the sheer ridiculous amounts of edits needed to the Jin system (the reasons for this being namely my fault as addressed above). Are you seriously so blind by your attitude towards the Bijuu that you are making things up to complain about now? I mean really.

If you want to make an argument against Jins, do it in a situation where it might even apply in the slightest. If you want to make an argument for Eight Gates, then please use whatever modicum of intelligence you possess and make a constructive argument for it.

In short, if you want to help be helpful, if you want to bitch go do it somewhere else.

Cross. I am actually going to agree with you in the slightest, I do think that US as a whole and Kage's by extension should be far less lenient about revoking Jounin, Jins and various other limited positions when lengthy periods of inactivity presents without viable reason.

Now their are nine Bijuu each with their own powers and benefits, we cannot be expected to hold everyone at the same regard otherwise Bijuu are entirely pointless. That being said that is why it is most often a lengthy interview and decision process. As for their 'OP' [ click me.] nature see my initial entry section. They are always going to be a little stronger to a point than most Shinobi, yes, but are they blatantly OP? No more than I have a twelve inch penis (2 inches shy btw ). There's a reason why they are given to a select few and not to every person who applies.

That being said, in what conceivable universe is anyone who gets from Genin to S - rank have nothing to show off ? We are on a writing forum where beyond the constraints of the system you are limited only by your own creativity and your ability to reason for the things you want. That's it. Nothing else. I've said it time and time again, so much so that it's almost become a personal platitude. If you cannot come up with something powerful within the constraints of a system you are not as skilled of a roleplayer as you pretend to be. Coming up with or using OP shit is easy, takes no creativity, takes no real writing skill, it's using balanced things and winning that is more impressive This largely eludes to a number of people I know from past RP sites and is not focused at anyone specifically in this thread, but it still seems to need to be said. So I say it again, how are you going to get to S - rank with nothing to show for it ?

Now Eight Gates. Surprisingly despite whatever view it make come across as, I am actually Pro-Eight Gates. However in the environment of US and how most people are, I can also see reason alone in that for not allowing them.

That being said in written post-by-post forum combat where we apply far more realism than the actual Naruto Manga, Hachimon will likely generally fall into one of two categories. A. Immensely broken, either by means of sheer bonuses or a huge suspension of disbelief. Or B. Nerfed to hell, essentially useless in lieu of more viable options [For all you LoL players out there think of Skarner].

I am going to momentarily diverge from the subject and address the physical attributes just to be clear we are all on the same page. Speed, Strength, Endurance and Evasion, namely Speed and Strength at this point are some of the most belligerently powerful passive traits on the site or any site, to the point that I don't even really have to serve an example. Simply put if you have to think of ways to counter speed inherently when building characters who lack it, it serves to show exactly how powerful it is. If a Kaguya can move at rate that eclipses my own 4x over [base speed + the speed SC bonus] then I as a Fuin/Nin caster will find it exceptionally difficult to keep up in combat. The Kaguya will have more room for error, more ability to correct said error and a better kill efficacy in combat. Strength largely operates on the same perimeters, at A rank if you can punch through solid rock I doubt my puny bones are going to stand up after even the slightest hit with such force behind it. Because of the nature of combat in this environment speed is all around the stronger one yes, but strength is by no means slouching either.

Bearing this in mind, what do we know about Eight Gates? Well firstly and most obviously their are eight of them. The each grant a level of physical ability beyond the previous, with the first gate being better than your normal physical state. But most importantly, they only are utilized by the two people in the Manga who focus entirely on Taijutsu. They allow both Lee and Gai to fight on the same level as Kakashi, Minato, Naruto, clearly by current Manga even Madara and indeed past that level in a physical realm. With that in mind we arrive at our first foreseeable limitation. IF and I can't stress this enough if ifififfffff Eight Gates is ever to be allowed as a limited technique it would be (and I would fight this fight to my dying breath) allowed only with the requirement of only being usable by someone who's possesses both Taijutsu and Weaponry. Hell, you know what, because of the power ceiling [for those ignorant of such terms it is used here to emphasize the highest level of power and the subsequent gap it creates for everyone else] it creates I would even argue that those who get or want Hachimon should be eternally prohibited from getting a third spec. Honestly, it might even be limited to those without a clan too.

Kakashi's usage not withstanding because his access to the first gate is only vaguely implied, and further it is the first damn gate.

With each gate that opens there is an x|amount increase in various physical attributes. Obviously with the 1st gate being the lowest amount of increase and 8th being the highest. Now very obviously there is the major drawback for the 8th gate but we've seen Gai using up to seven and still being (relatively) fine, but Lee was almost crippled by using only three. As Kite said, the drawbacks exist almost entirely as user enforced and the Manga exemplifies that they are dependent upon the level of the user as well. They might apply in the sole thread of usage but in my experience 98% of the role playing community would simply opt for a way around them when it came to displaying weakness in other RPs.

As far as the technical balance related stuff. Having to no small degree attempted at the math behind it the way the current SC system works in order to allow eight gates in any semblance of a usable manner the whole system would need to be fixed or changed before such an implementation could even be viable. However I still stand by my statement that any speed beyond the A/S rank level of SCs [and I still have arguments that it is still too high] would essentially break combat for anyone in that situation. Normally I would write more on the subject and proceed to go into a long winded discussion but frankly, I'm lazy and I doubt many of you would be so receptive to it as it is. If you honestly wish to discuss it contact me on skype between 11pm and 5am when my brain seems to be at it's optimum level of function and my best work is done.

DESPITE what Vergil believes about the ability to write Taijutsu, when you can move faster than people can see and punch hard enough to quite literally destroy rock, it takes no skill at all to write taijutsu. Need I remind you that 8 gates Gai was able to kick/move so fast that he was able to by my assumption super heat and move the air around him and subsequently obliterate half of Madara's body?

I am assuming that I am making a few incorrect points or fallacies in this point and to save myself the trouble of you [and by you I am almost entirely looking at Vergil] attempting to correct and refute them by acknowledging my own ability for error.

I am going to point out that the cost of getting something does not mean that the application of said thing is balanced.

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

Brett wrote:: I think it can be a useful means of death. I'm not entirely sure nobody would kill their character upon the unlocking of the eighth gate. Not everyone role-plays with the same motivation, or with the same intention. One who seeks better opportunities by maximizing the power of the story regardless of the costs might use it for good literary causes. Concluding otherwise without any prior example from our member base is fallacious; a hasty generalization.

Brett, I love you man and I know that I am making a "hasty generalization". But it is also one that I truly believe. There are of course exceptions to this rule where people will RP for the sake of story and character development and if you ask anyone most will tell you that they do RP for those reasons but when it comes down to a fight where one is given the choice of having said immense power for the cost of their character's life, yet are left to decide if ultimately they will actually go through with it, I feel that most will find some way to get out of dying. People don't want to lose their characters and more importantly, people don't want to lose a fight. There are people here who's pride really hinges on being able to out fight someone in RP and it is for these reasons that staff has place limitations on what abilities can and can't do.

Captain Konoha wrote:: You say I am always bashing on Jinchuuriki, though I don't see anything useful for us Non-Jinchuuriki that we don't have to make ourselves. A Jinchuuriki can pull shit like that by entering tailed states while any kind of physical boost we get first has to go through a whole wave of bitching about how it is OP, because lets face it, anything not Bijuu-related just HAS to be weak. That said, you're making things way too easy by saying it can't be done without even trying to make it work, though that seems to be the way you function best.

I don't know about you "always bashing on Jinchuuriki" but I will say you do complain an awful lot about how OP something is when you don't have it and how unfair something is when you can't get something. Not all of it is unjustified in my opinion but you do kick up quite a bit of fuss whenever things don't go your way and in this instance you come off as someone pointing fingers at other people, saying "Well these people get that so why can't I have this?!"

What I think you fail to understand is that the Jinchuuriki spots are meant to be special and powerful and even scary. IC Jinchuuriki are not to be trifled with and are powerful assets for any village in possession of them. It's why Zack's character went through such lengths to acquire Heida's character. He pretty much managed to acquire one of Kumo's best potential weapons! It's a powerful move in a game of strategies and tactics. You seem to want to somehow elevate your character to that level when in essence, in the US IC world, your character is nothing special. Sure, he may have accomplished a lot and is powerful in his own right, but that is power he has earned. It is something that others of capable of reaching through hard enough work and enough time.

Yoroi will never be a Jinchuuriki. Stop trying.

Along with that, you can't expect staff or anyone else to make your jutsu for you. I don't know if this was your intention but all I'm hearing from you is "Jinchuuriki get stuff made for them but I have to use my brain to think of stuff!" If that's not what you were trying to say then I apologize but I suggest you reread what you wrote. It really sounds like you are complaining about having to create custom techniques to make yourself powerful, as if that is a flawed concept. God forbid anyone use their brains to try to come up with techniques of their own, right?! Non-Bijuu techniques, in essence will usually be weaker than Bijuu techniques, yes. Bijuu techniques are derived from GIANT CHAKRA MONSTERS OF DEATH AND DOOM. Not normal shinobi. Non-Bijuu characters get the benefit of picking from clans, something Bijuu characters don't have and thus Non-Bijuu characters are given more potential tools to use against Bijuu characters. It's not about having more power but more options and versatility to exercise against your opponent.

The costs for maintaining Bijuu cloaks are pretty hefty and thus there is a bit of strategy that comes into play because it essentially gives a limited amount of time for Bijuu characters to finish the fight. For non-Bijuu characters there is always the option of waiting out their opponent, letting them deplete their chakra reserves, but for Bijuu characters who choose to use their cloaks, this is not an option. They are forced to fight offensively, which in my opinion is more difficult than fighting defensively in RP.

Captain Konoha wrote:: If it was to be limited to Admin permission, a large fund cost and a training thread in terms of OOC, that would already make it hard for everyone to get it, which is even more true when you consider that not that many people have bothered getting Taijutsu and are all drooling over weaponry, ninjutsu and genjutsu at low ranks, only getting it as a third spec or simply not getting it because the rest is better, something you for one (Travis) can't ignore after that PM you've sent me a year ago.

Do you honestly think so little of staff that you don't think this was considered already? I can tell you that it was and that it was decided that it be better to just axe the technique than open a door for potential problems. In short, it was considered and debated and put to rest. Before you jump to conclusions about what staff should or shouldn't do and start acting like you have all the answers, try to consider that someone might have actually thought about this already. I also find fault with your argument that people have not picked Taijutsu for their specialties because all it takes is one suicide thread and a new character sheet to fix that mistake, which could very well happen if the gates are taken off the ban list. This is neither a good nor bad thing, mind you, but it simply makes your argument void. And as for the last part...Really Vergil? You're going to hold something over someone's head from a PM that they sent you A YEAR AGO?! Let it go dude. Whatever was said, it was a damn year ago...

Captain Konoha wrote:: With the OOC bit covered, it is really not that hard to further limit the amount of gates people can get by having it so that it functions similar to Chidori and Raikiri, meaning you need to get Chidori + a set of SC's first and get Raikiri once you have Chidori and another set of SC's in place. If this was enforced, getting all eight gates would not only be very expensive, it would require a lot of time before someone actually gets them all. Kakashi has shown to be able to release the first gate, though that was all he had going for him. It's not like someone getting a first gate means they will also get the last, that's just the beauty of Admin permission and further limitations of a useful technique.

As for it's combat uses, making it so that is weakens the user a bit in terms of physical power once the technique ends by matching it with the amount of posts that is has been active will add a sufficient drawback. Increasing these drawbacks would depend on the current Gate someone is in, where the eventual drawback for the Eighth Gate would be death the moment it is turned off, which is when someone would turn to ash.

You're right in that it is possible to limit the gates by giving a list of SC requirements needed to access them, which in theory could make them a bit "harder" to obtain (not so much harder but rather less appealing) but ultimately this technique can render phsyical SC's useless through the expenditure of chakra, meaning you free up a potential two-three slots for SCs to be taken that would help you reach a point where you could activate the gates and still fight as though you had said physical SC's.

And as you said, one does not need to reach the last gate once having access to the gates as a whole. This means that one could potentially activate the fifth, sixth, or seventh gate with no worries other than chakra expenditure. Which means....you're once again trying to bring yourself to the same level of Jinchuurikis. You aren't one, you need to realize this and get over it.

As for the other drawbacks you listed, the fact is that one does not need to release it until they have either won or have reached a low point in chakra costs, which again...is like Jinchuurikis. You aren't one.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you should stop asking why something is or bring up your arguments as to why something should be or put up custom techs and fight to get them approved, but please stop doing so by pointing to other people and whining that they got something so you are thus entitled to something similar, especially when you know full well Jinchuuriki are supposed to be special characters.

As special as Yoroi is, Vergil, he's not God, he's not a Jinchuuriki, he's not a demon, he's not a devil, he's not the Sage of the Six paths. He's an S rank Kaguya that serves Konoha and is a protective service ninja. He's damn powerful as he is and it's getting rather annoying to hear you cry as though he's some underpowered twerp because everyone else on the site is unreasonable.

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The problem with Naruto in the manga right now (and always was) is that the power ceiling always keeps going up and up. I can prove this as well. When you have a power ceiling that always goes up, stronger techniques in the past look weaker in comparison and everyone wants to achieve that level of greatness.

Everyone on an RP site wants to be the "main character" and thinks of their character as 'the main character'. The problem with that is on RP sites by adding 1 'top power' (Jinchuuriki) and keeping the rest out it is. 1. easier to balance. 2. easier to limit. 3. creates less of a super high power ceiling that all people want to achieve.

The problem with this balance philosophy is that it limits those that aren't Jinchuuriki to 'normal' powers and abilities. If you start to introduce all this stuff it creates a slippery slope. 100% of the time (any admin will tell you) the moment they allow one thing thats strong, they must allow another, and another, and another, until the site becomes this mess of broken characters. Now I'm not saying that isn't fun, but it is almost impossible to balance.

The Jinchuuriki are the easiest to balance. I would say this sites power level is set at the start of Shippuden where Bijuu are amazing god like creatures and none are stronger than bijuu. That's a perfect place to balance it. The site can allow more things that can be clarified but too many and this will turn into a site where you can have Oreo jutsu.

Age : 30 Posts : 1012

I didn't mean for this thread to come off as something to bash the Jin's, I was merely comparing some of the tailed forms to the gates. Neutral

I don't personally know much about the gates besides they cripple and do more harm than benefits for a few moments. I also know that after the third gate, they continue to open automatically until one 'closes' them in order. (At least from what I've read and seen.)

I do agree that due to past events and some of the behavior on site, it does have reason to be considered bannable, but not everyone is like that. I may take that offer tonight and talk to you on skype once I get home from work, Trey.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Cross wrote:

I didn't mean for this thread to come off as something to bash the Jin's, I was merely comparing some of the tailed forms to the gates.

I don't personally know much about the gates besides they cripple and do more harm than benefits for a few moments. I also know that after the third gate, they continue to open automatically until one 'closes' them in order. (At least from what I've read and seen.)

I do agree that due to past events and some of the behavior on site, it does have reason to be considered bannable, but not everyone is like that. I may take that offer tonight and talk to you on skype once I get home from work, Trey.

I wasn't really assuming that you specifically were bashing Bijuu Cross, I was largely pointing out why the comparison doesn't work well when you get down to the way that the power needs to be distributed.

When operating with a community in mind you unfortunately have to adhere to the lowest standard or the highest rate of ignorance. It's why as a society we are largely dumb. It's an unfortunate way of doing things, but it's the reasons why the word counts are so low despite the fact that most people post 600+ even at low ranks and the reason why everything is usually spelled out to the Nth degree. If we were working with a community where everyone held the same level of ability and understanding things could be vastly difference, but you know.. a perfect world and all that jazz.

At any rate I'll likely gladly discuss it with you at that time.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Having cleared the issue largely with Cross over skype and the others who posted can't seem to be bothered to provide any sense of counter discussion. Solved.