Elements Question!

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Well I originally was gonna make Dokuton - Poison Release for one of my many clan ideas, but I came across several problems. I consulted the Elements Recomposition chart, and I didn't find it with Fire and Earth, as I intended. Does that mean its Fire/Earth + Ying/Yang?

Also, Shizune used a poison fog and everyone knows she has no KKG Razz

Does that mean one of her elements is fire and she combined ying/yang chakra with it to create a non-kkg element such as poison?

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Hey Outcast,

Using Haisekishou for referrence (which is a similar Katon based jutsu) 'After forming the needed handseals, Asuma will expel ash from his mouth.' Now obviously, the connection between fire and ash is obvious. The poison jutsu that Shizune uses are of a similar nature, in as much as, she expels gas/smog/powder/cloud from her mouth. I don't see why you couldn't use the Katon element to create poison based jutsu. Just state that the poison(s) are a result of heating chemicals to the point where the vapours harmful/hazard.

That's my quick take of it anyway. Hope it helps.

~L33.

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Haha, Yes that does help, thanks Brad! :pbj:

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Poison in my opinion is Wind/Earth, where sand is Earth/Wind. The difference in the dominant element and the combination amount is what allows the two different elements to be created

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Quote :: Well I originally was gonna make Dokuton - Poison Release for one of my many clan ideas, but I came across several problems. I consulted the Elements Recomposition chart, and I didn't find it with Fire and Earth, as I intended. Does that mean its Fire/Earth + Ying/Yang?

HELP Sad

Poison is a intoxicating substance that causes disturbances in organisms. Its creation is not from chakra, but rather the product of mixing the appropriate plants or pathogens to make the solution. It is not however a product of two elemental combination as you claim. Fire has the ability to heat chemicals, but if no chemicals are present in your internal system you will expel nothing but flame or hot air.

Quote :: Also, Shizune used a poison fog and everyone knows she has no KKG Razz Does that mean one of her elements is fire and she combined ying/yang chakra with it to create a non-kkg element such as poison?

Poison is not a element. Shizune is capable of expelling poison through a process of of kneading her chakra inside her body and changing it to a special chemical substances. According to narutopedia, when the substance comes in contact with air it is then transformed into its gaseous state.

Medical Ninja and those who study toxicology are able to transform their chakra to a poisonous substance by adapting their body to the poison by constant exposure and training. An example would be in the third Ultimate Ninja game when naruto wanted to learn the poison mist technique from Shizune, she stated that he must fight under the effects of the poison to get use to its symptons and ultiamatley adapt himself to it to learn the technique. That is also the reason why medics are immune to their own expeled poisons, not only because they gained immunity from it, but also because its a poisnous state of their own chakra.

Quote :: Hey Outcast,

Using Haisekishou for referrence (which is a similar Katon based jutsu) 'After forming the needed handseals, Asuma will expel ash from his mouth.' Now obviously, the connection between fire and ash is obvious. The poison jutsu that Shizune uses are of a similar nature, in as much as, she expels gas/smog/powder/cloud from her mouth. I don't see why you couldn't use the Katon element to create poison based jutsu. Just state that the poison(s) are a result of heating chemicals to the point where the vapours harmful/hazard.

Incorrect. The fire will just neutralize the poison before it even leaves your mouth. Rather the medics chakra turns into the substance and when reacting with air (as the jutsu states) will it then become a gas.

Personally making a clan centered around poison would be useless unless your KKG is a unique type of poison, like our Kurotsuki clan. But any medic who has undergone training in working in poisons like Shizune would have no problem creating Jutsu which turns her chakra into poison.

Resources;

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Poison

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Poison_Mist

https://ultimateshinobi.darkbb.com/t39-item-poison-creation-guide-template?highlight=poison

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Elder Sage wrote:

Quote :: Hey Outcast,

Using Haisekishou for referrence (which is a similar Katon based jutsu) 'After forming the needed handseals, Asuma will expel ash from his mouth.' Now obviously, the connection between fire and ash is obvious. The poison jutsu that Shizune uses are of a similar nature, in as much as, she expels gas/smog/powder/cloud from her mouth. I don't see why you couldn't use the Katon element to create poison based jutsu. Just state that the poison(s) are a result of heating chemicals to the point where the vapours harmful/hazard.

Incorrect. The fire will just neutralize the poison before it even leaves your mouth. Rather the medics chakra turns into the substance and when reacting with air (as the jutsu states) will it then become a gas.

It's not incorrect, chakra, chemicals and elements can all be utilized to create/perform poisons it just depends on the method and explanation. My statement above was a rough example, I just wanted to make Outcast aware that he could combine elements with the poison. i.e super heat the gas/liquid not set it on fire.

'To put it plainly, when you cook HFCS, it becomes contaminated with HMF. And according to the research, levels of HMF "jumped dramatically" when temperatures rose above 120 degrees Fahrenheit (which isn't very hot, by the way).

This is similar to the way in which browning or frying carbohydrates produces acrylamides, a cancer-causing chemical that's also ubiquitous in the food supply.'

- Just an example of something becoming poisonous after being heated.

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Hey I tried to tell them this ....you know about poison being an element....but I don't think it matters here.

I'm currently making a Dokuton clan as well and I mentioned Ino, Kabuto, and Shizune as they all used poison before and neither of them had a clan.

All in all I don't think they will allow you to make Dokuton an element unless you make a clan.

As for the elements neither of them make sense so don't force your clan to have certain elements.

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Mr. Sinister wrote:: Hey I tried to tell them this ....you know about poison being an element....but I don't think it matters here.

I'm currently making a Dokuton clan as well and I mentioned Ino, Kabuto, and Shizune as they all used poison before and neither of them had a clan.

All in all I don't think they will allow you to make Dokuton an element unless you make a clan.

As for the elements neither of them make sense so don't force your clan to have certain elements.

I'm not saying poison is an element, i'm saying poison can be combined with elements for explanation/effect.

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I'm just saying whenever I tried to make a character with poison jutsu I had to join a clan to do so....which didn't make any sense

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Mr. Sinister wrote:: I'm just saying whenever I tried to make a character with poison jutsu I had to join a clan to do so....which didn't make any sense

It's different here Smile

the staff actually listen to valid points and explanations. I'd rather work with someone to get what they want approved rather than just point blank refuse.

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Mr. Sinister Said:

Quote :: I'm just saying whenever I tried to make a character with poison jutsu I had to join a clan to do so....which didn't make any sense

That was here Elements Question! 287405

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Okay, i dont think my post showed up Razz

Anyways, I don't think I need medical experience to create poison techniques, since Sasori specialized in poisons but he wasn't a medic-nin. Right!?

And if I wanted to create a new element, but it isn't in the recomposition table, does that mean it doesn't exist or is it okay to still post that up?

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Outcast wrote:: Okay, i dont think my post showed up

Anyways, I don't think I need medical experience to create poison techniques, since Sasori specialized in poisons but he wasn't a medic-nin. Right!?

And if I wanted to create a new element, but it isn't in the recomposition table, does that mean it doesn't exist or is it okay to still post that up?

He may not have been a medical ninja (fully) but don't forget how he made his puppets, either. He 'transformed' the ninja's bodies into puppets, along with keeping their chakra/kekkai genkai/special techs retained in the bodies. So, right there has to tell you that he should have a fair amount of medical knowledge (or maybe even more) on the human body/chakra control and stuff.

But that's just my two cents, sorry I'm kinda rusty.

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You were misinformed then Sinister, or maybe I have? Either way I'd argue the points I've posted. I think if you were to base Poison(s) to a specific skill type then i'd go with Medical because you'd have vast knowledge of anatompy or bodies and the effects of chemicals on/in them. To put it simply. Using Sasori as an example does raise a good point, of course theres no evidence to say weather he made the poison himself :S to my memory anyway. So i guess it would depend on the level of poison to what you'd need to create them.

Creating a new element is something you'd be better to take up with an Admin.

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Okay and my last question. Mei, who is the current (woman) Mizukage, haha, had a KKG, which allowed her to have 3 elements, but combine them in 2 different ways to create 2 different KKG, one not related to Kirigakure at all.

I was planning on having a rarity like that in one of my clans, but rest assured its not gonna be something like Lava and Wood Release, it was going to be Dokuton and Souton (Phase Release), 2 very minor KKG. Is that allowed on this site in any form? I tried to lower the OPness of it by making it not one of the most powerful KKG's out there. Razz

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Quote :: Okay and my last question. Mei, who is the current (woman) Mizukage, haha, had a KKG, which allowed her to have 3 elements, but combine them in 2 different ways to create 2 different KKG, one not related to Kirigakure at all.

I was planning on having a rarity like that in one of my clans, but rest assured its not gonna be something like Lava and Wood Release, it was going to be Dokuton and Souton (Phase Release), 2 very minor KKG. Is that allowed on this site in any form? I tried to lower the OPness of it by making it not one of the most powerful KKG's out there.

/faceplam.

I just wrote that whole post explaining that poison isn't kkg related. Any medic (on this site) is capable of performing poison techniques. No clans, no elements, just straight up.

Thus, you do not need to make a duo kkg clan. Just make your character a medic and make your clan phase release. boom, shazoom. you got it.

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Elder Sage wrote:

Quote :: Okay and my last question. Mei, who is the current (woman) Mizukage, haha, had a KKG, which allowed her to have 3 elements, but combine them in 2 different ways to create 2 different KKG, one not related to Kirigakure at all.

I was planning on having a rarity like that in one of my clans, but rest assured its not gonna be something like Lava and Wood Release, it was going to be Dokuton and Souton (Phase Release), 2 very minor KKG. Is that allowed on this site in any form? I tried to lower the OPness of it by making it not one of the most powerful KKG's out there.

/faceplam.

I just wrote that whole post explaining that poison isn't kkg related. Any medic (on this site) is capable of performing poison techniques. No clans, no elements, just straight up.

Thus, you do not need to make a duo kkg clan. Just make your character a medic and make your clan phase release. boom, shazoom. you got it.

What he said. xD