Letter for the Kage -Open-(Kage Only)

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https://ultimateshinobi.darkbb.com/forest-of-death-f151/decision-t1373.htm#12787

Making it's way back into the village from a long voyage from deep within the Forest of Death, Torein's summoning had finally made it into the city of Konoha. After a short search it had finally made it's way into the Kages mansion with an urgent message to deliver. With a letter on it's back the summoning made his way to the kage. Kage, kage please I have an urgent message for you. Torein sensei is the final moments of hs life for the wrote me this at the last moment for you to come quickly for he believes you are the only person in the village that can help the situation. Gasping for air the summoning made his announcement to the kage with a tired but depressed voice giving off the really good impression that his sensei was really gone for good. Here take this letter for it is for you Kage sama.

Dear Hokage,
By the time you recieve this letter it will already be too late for me. As of now I'm in the Forest of Death fight for my life against a formattable opponent. His strenght his beyond of what I can handle alone. All the information I got out of him was that he reside with the Forest and he planning on destroying Konoha from inside out. With mu last bit of chakra I have summoned my spider friend to inform you on a little of his abilities. This guys seem to be highly resistant to ninjutsu and physical attacks. Not only that his strength his greater than the Akimichi and his Taijutsu is par with the Hyuuga. Just because he is a big guy don't let that fool you by the above average speed he possess. His chakra knowledge is supperior considering he knew how to free himself from my webbing in to time. I honestly believe he's a medical shinobi for his smart but he didn't show me any of that skill during combat.

The end of me, Torein Otomichi...

Now do you see what I mean? Torein is really in trouble and needs your help. Help him out please.

OOC: Barley made the cut....lol

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((Truly sorry about this short post, but it's actually split into to posts, it starts here, with about 200 words, and will end in the forest of death.))

Kamina looked into the crystal ball that sat in a radiant cushion on his desk. The ability to oversee his entire village was certainly an important one, at the very least. Kamina flexed his hand, and in a blur of telescopic motion, the Crystal ball before him zoomed in on a Jounin in the forest of death. Kamina had thought that there was something fishy about a jounin venturing there all by his lonesome. One might argue to Kamina that it was definitely just for some training..But one would argue quite a lot of things with their very outlandish and outspoken Hokage. Kamina grabbed his sword and strapped it to his back, before getting up from his seat. As he did so, he flicked his wrist at the crystal ball and it went blank, becoming nothing more than a simple glass sphere. He opened and closed his door in the same instance, exiting his office quickly. He wasn’t sure what was up, but he was fairly certain that as Hokage, he would not like it.

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Pattycakes wrote:: Tomegane no Jutsu [Telescope Technique]
Type: Ninjutsu
Rank: A
Requirements: A Crystal Ball, Kage.
Description: One is able to view through any different areas within the country by a clairvoyant crystal ball. This is a great skill for looking or tracking down somebody. This skill only works for viewing inside a village, and though they can scan and see everything that's happening, they cannot magically be alerted if something bad happens, they must stumble upon it themself.

Quote :: The forest of Kohona, known as 'The Forest Of Death'. It is situated just outside of the village itself, on the opposite side of the Konoha gates. In the middle of the Forest of Death lies a three-story high wooden structure, home to an elderly couple who house weary or lost travelers. It is also known to host the second round of the Chuunin exams on occasion.

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Ahh, a bit of confusion we have here ^_^

See, The Telescope Technique refers to Konoha as Konoha, every part of Konoha is the village hidden in the leaves

The Forest of death is "situated just outside of the village itself"

The forest of death is irrefutably a part of konoha, it belongs to konoha, but it is not inside the walls. It's sort of like in a rural area. Say you have a forest just outside city limits. Now, on any map, it's location is within that town, but people still say it's outside of 'town', reffering to the area where everyone lives. People who live in the country may also be referred to as living just outside of town.

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If its outside of the gates, it can't be viewed. With what little information on the jutsu the manga has provided us with, we can see that the 3rd never looked outside of the walls of Konoha.

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The third never had reason to.

Now, if in the description it said that the user could only see inside the gates, I would back down. However, it says inside the village. The forest of death is part of the village hidden in the leaves, as is the Valley of the end. It's asinine, devoid of intelligence, to say that the Telescope Technique, at A rank, can see only the parts of the village in which people live. Now, if you some how manage to find a source that states specifically that the technique can only be used within the walls, Cite it and I will change my post. If not however, your argument holds neutral validity; as neither side can be proven wrong or right. Because of this, you may wish to bring it up in the staff lounge for further discussion, but there's no reason this post cannot stay the way it is until a verdict is reached.

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Quote :: Tomegane no Jutsu [Telescope Technique]
Type: Ninjutsu
Rank: A
Requirements: A Crystal Ball, Kage.
Description: One is able to view through any different areas within the country by a clairvoyant crystal ball. This is a great skill for looking or tracking down somebody. This skill only works for viewing inside a village, and though they can scan and see everything that's happening, they cannot magically be alerted if something bad happens, they must stumble upon it themself.

I dont know if im allowed to post here, but i think that you would agree with Z if you understood what he said. If the description said "Anything in the lannd" in this situation Konoha you would be right, but its says "Inside a village" thereby meaning Village hidden in leafs. translated to this site it would mean that you are able to observe anything that happens in the "Village Hidden In Leaves"-section. Not "Land of Fire"-section

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So Pat, what your saying is that if a cannon jutsu is vague enough to exploit, you exploit it?

Pattycakes wrote:: The third never had reason to.

How do you know this? How do you know he could? If all that he looked at was inside the village, it leads to the conclusion that its all he could look at. Your saying that he only looked at things in the village because he didn't feel like looking outside the village no matter how much of advantage it would give him against surprise attacks. Thats really stretching things, and I'm a very big fan of Occam's Razor: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/occamraz.html

The logic your using here is saying that if a jutsu doesn't have stated restraints or things that the manga says it can not do, it can be used however you please. This is like saying " Shushin doesn't have a specific length so i'm just gonna use it to go to another planet,".

I won't bring this up to staff because I really don't want to bother anyone, but you can if you are so inclined.

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you've entirely misinterpreted my statement. All it means is that there's never been a chapter of naruto where the third has had the need to look outside the village with the telescope technique.

It's nonsensical to say that this technique cannot, for some reason see the forests just outside the village. Comparing that to jumping planets is a tad asinine.

Quote :: I dont know if im allowed to post here, but i think that you would agree with Z if you understood what he said. If the description said "Anything in the lannd" in this situation Konoha you would be right, but its says "Inside a village" thereby meaning Village hidden in leafs. translated to this site it would mean that you are able to observe anything that happens in the "Village Hidden In Leaves"-section. Not "Land of Fire"-section

so you're saying that the forest of Death isn't a part of Konoha, that konoha doesn't own, and control it? No, I daresay that non staff shouldn't post here, but thats a fact without need for regarding.

I understand your point of view, but I disagree. At A rank, the technique should easily be able to see the forest of death, as well as the tops of Hokage Mountain, which isn't technically in the village. I'm not looking at Amegakure here, nor am I looking at the moon. I'm looking at a forest directly bordering konoha, that is a part of konoha.

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An A-rank technique that can see anything within a village is powerful enough, so lets not argue about the rank of the jutsu.

To sum up my entire side of this argument without dragging this out longer... When someone makes a cannon jutsu, they are supposed to look at what the jutsu says and pertain to what the manga says it can do, not find what it can't do and assume they can. Its much safer and it makes a hell of a lot more sense to make the jutsu do what we KNOW it can do. Another example would be Kawarmi. Leafninja says...

" Kawarimi no Jutsu is a basic Ninjutsu technique. When in danger the ninja will quickly substitute themself with another nearby object. This can be a block of wood or even another person. This allows the ninja to quickly flee and hide while the original object takes the brunt of their opponents attack."

So I can replace myself with a nearby object....hmm... there doesn't seem to be a size or weight limitation on this. Excuse me while I go replace myself with giant boulder.

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Hmm, I would argue that the kawarimi example is different, as it delves with common sense. Would you be opposed to unnaproving that jutsu and me editing it, perhaps bumping up the rank? I would've edited it myself when I first made my app, had I known this situation would've occured.

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I'm not worried about the rank, I'm worried about what a cannon jutsu can do. Bumping its rank won't give it abilities it doesn't possess.

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well my charry actualy

Quote :: Left the Village

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I understand that, Z. I'm talking about taking a canon technique and editing it. Turning it into a custom. I'd be expanding on a jutsu that frankly isn't very well explained.