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PostSubject: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyTue 21 Apr 2015, 9:28 am

So a thought occurred to me; naturally, we have the Ninjutsu SCs, for reducing chakra costs. As an added flavor, people can train more, and reduce costs on a particular element even more.

Now, my topic of debate, is as such; should, or should not, this elemental reduction, apply to all elemental jutsu, regardless of the jutsu type? Ex: Fire user has 50% fire jutsu cost reduction. Fire user also knows fire-based taijutsu moves. Should cost reduction be applied, to greater or lesser extent, to the fire taijutsu?

The subject of this topic is mostly to open debate as to whether or not Ninjutsu's Element chakra cost reduction should apply to non-Ninjutsu Elemental jutsu, and to what degree.

Personally, I find myself in favor of it applying, but to a lesser degree; say at A-rank, A nin-tai Fire specialized user's Fire taijutsu have their costs reduced by 25%.

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyTue 21 Apr 2015, 10:31 am

It makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyTue 21 Apr 2015, 12:51 pm

To my understanding, the reason why there are also things like Gen Related Skill, Fuuin Related Sill, etc. is that it is intended this reduction not apply to all types of jutsu. So that being said, if you have a Fire element specialist with ninjutsu reductions using a fire based taijutsu move, I don't think they should get the cost reduction. Logic-wise it would make sense for them to get it, but balance wise, the system seems built with the intent that the person should need to make a Taijutsu Related Skill SC to get the reduction(since there isn't a default one.)

I think mentioning a half reduction for hybrid types like Nin-Tai or Nin-Fuuin sounds fair to me. But I also think an additional restriction needs to be added to these. Specifically, the Clan Related Jutsu. Because clan jutsu can be of pretty much any jutsu type out there, I think it should be treated like a unique jutsu type so they can't stack with other chakra reduction cost SCs.
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PostSubject: Re: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyTue 21 Apr 2015, 5:50 pm

Chakra reduction costs don't stack. If you have Ninjutsu Master that pushes chakra used down by 40% and Clan master that pushes it down by 40%, it will remain 40%. There has not, nor should there ever be a stacking of chakra reductions as that would quite literally break the entire forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyWed 22 Apr 2015, 8:12 am

Hiruzen wrote:
Chakra reduction costs don't stack. If you have Ninjutsu Master that pushes chakra used down by 40% and Clan master that pushes it down by 40%, it will remain 40%. There has not, nor should there ever be a stacking of chakra reductions as that would quite literally break the entire forum.

^ This.

Also, I talked about this specific topic with Josi (Reggie) a little while back when we were discussing the possibilities of taijutsu SCs, because I feel like a nin/tai character could probably get a lot of use out of the hybrid techniques, but the issue of cost efficiency arises when you factor in the ninjutsu master SC not applying to the hybrid techniques, and how it's a lot more cost-effective and practical to just do one or the other, since the individual costs would be lower. And, actually, I had proposed a taijutsu SC requiring the Ninjutsu master SC as a restriction that could reduce the cost of Nin-Tai techniques, just at about 20-25% (We ended up scrapping that idea). But I think granting it to those that just have the one SC is a lot more practical.
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PostSubject: Re: Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements Ninjutsu Mastery SC - Elements EmptyWed 22 Apr 2015, 11:51 am

I do believe that Taijutsu users get plenty already, though it is often overlooked. Sure, Ninjutsu folk get more chakra, faster seals, cost reductions on their jutsu, yada yada, but we forget the fact that Taijutsu users can get several SC along the lines of increased physical speed, strength, endurance and evasion. More so, they do not need to use chakra at higher ranks to break your face with a simple chakra-free punch.

On the other hand, I do see how Ninjutsu would have the upper hand in mid and long ranged combat, though that just brings it all down to how the battle is fought and how strong both characters are. People like Lee proved that no Ninjutsu is required to make a powerful combatant, though this is US and not the Anime. On US, if someone wants to be a real challenge for someone with Ninjutsu without getting it, they would often get weaponry so they can get more physical SCs and fill in more than just the close combat range. When you look at things such as Hirudora, Asakujaku, Sekizou and most other Hachimon based attacks, it is not all that hard to get to grips with the fact that in a US format, such attacks would be Nintaijutsu.

I always see a lot of people fighting about how "Taijutsu users are the underprivileged ones" when there really is no reason for such things. If they choose to focus solely on Taijutsu, chances are that you are going to get your ass handed to you by people that focus on two or more schools of the Shinobi Professions. I think that by adding this chakra cost reduction to the Ninjutsu master SC, those that want to be well versed in Taijutsu and chose to pick Ninjutsu as a side dish can become a bit stronger while lasting longer in battle.

I know the whole TL;DR thing is a big part of our community, but I just think that applying things like these to an existing SC can make picking Ninjutsu to go along with Taijutsu to be more tempting, and in the long run make their characters more powerful.
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