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Crono Guardia
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PostSubject: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 1:40 pm

I know sage mode is on the banned list, but I've been reading and rereading my bijuu dscription and the rules and such and have been trying to come up with some jutsu.... As mine is the only one completely blank atm.  

My bijuu is all about being one with nature, influencing the plantlife, and even the weather in the sky.  As it's jin, I can sense when the last time a plant was watered, predict the weather, even sense the elemental natures in my opponents.

That being said my bijuu is a fairly docile one and really only asks that it's jin respect nature and see balance in all things. With all these things consitered. It would make sense If i could gain access to sennin chakra. While there is no system to something like this. Preforming this act of being one with the universe like this would go a great way toward the CD between myself and my bijuu. My bijuu may not be actively trying to take control, but it doesn't mean he sees me as a worthy vessle for his power, yet.

So, that said.  I was thinking if I could make a psudo form of sage mode for my character or other 5 tail Jins. something with simple rules.

2 posts to charge with no movement, then when activated, 5 post duration. amplifies the power and abilities of all SCs and Jutsu you know by 1 rank, even if that rank would go above your current character rank.

Something like this would let me use a B rank samurai saber tech when active instead of C rank. my one with nature SC would be B rank, .. or similar.

any thoughts?
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Mugen Kousen
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 3:05 pm

I don't see why having a specific bijuu with a trait of oneness with nature should grant you access to a form which is banned and inaccessible to anyone else. As a Jin you already get enough perks and power ups, so it isn't like you really require something like this. I wouldn't find this to be very fair unless Sage Mode got opened up to everyone and then perhaps this particular Bijuu would make it somewhat easier to train for. However, I don't expect that will happen any time soon nor would I like sage mode to be available to everyone.

The only incarnation of something as powerful as sage mode that I would be willing to support is as a limited spot(only three active holders at a time for example) that requires completion of a death-viable missions or event thread of some sort that is only available once every few months. Or some other strict limitations along those lines.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 3:42 pm

you dont see why a bijuu that revolves around nature and sensing nature, and controlling nature  would make it able for it's jin to sense and control nature chakra?

Considering we have no system for senjutsu atm, due to it being banned. The name is basically a label. And considering the way this would be preformed it would be akin to attempting to release 2 bijuu tails at once for 2 posts. This is me more or less creating a custom bijuu jutsu and using the principles of senjutsu as the reasoning behind it.

that being said, this isn't a thread about sage mode as it appears in the show with all the perks and such that go along with it. If you want to debate that, please move to a different thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 4:00 pm

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I wouldn't find this to be very fair unless Sage Mode got opened up to everyone and then perhaps this particular Bijuu would make it somewhat easier to train for.

That line implies that I'm down with the idea of the gobi offering easier access to control over nature chakra. My post states that I am against it allowing access to something that is banned.

You say the name is just a label, but what you described is basically taking in nature chakra and using it to buff yourself. Even if it's only a "Pseudo-Sage Mode" it's still doing something no one else on the site is allowed to do.

There is nothing wrong with you making a custom bijuu jutsu that makes use of your bijuu's traits. However, I don't think it's fair to make use of senjutsu principles when the entire concept is considered banned. I thought it was clear that the only reason why I brought up senjutsu being available to everyone is because that is the only way I'd consider what you're asking for to be fair. I was not trying to change this into a discussion about whether or not to unban senjutsu. Merely expressing my strong views regarding it.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 4:41 pm

okay.... now let me ask you something....

would it be possible to sit for a couple posts charge your chakra, remain vulnerable for the entire period. then be amplified for the next few posts using a jutsu? is there anything limiting that? no? so you mean to tell me nothing is stopping something like that from being created?

the problem you have is not with the ability, but with the reasoning i'm using. With that the case, your reasoning belongs in a different thread.

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now with that minirant over. All bijuu jutsu, is unique to their jin, and no one else can have it. I don't see why this wouldn't be any different. It may be manipulating nature chakra, but it's not replenishing my reserves. And nature chakra itself isn't banned. Jugo's clan is available to be used, unless i'm mistaken(and missed it when I looked at the list just now). Jugo's clan isn't banned... they had a natural affinity to absorb nature chakra into their body, and extending from that the curse seals used jugo clan cells to allow others to absorb nature chakra and transform.

Should a true sage mode ever see the light of day, this jutsu would still exist for the gobi jin.
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Hiruzen
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 5:21 pm

Mugen Kousen wrote:
The only incarnation of something as powerful as sage mode that I would be willing to support is as a limited spot(only three active holders at a time for example) that requires completion of a death-viable missions or event thread of some sort that is only available once every few months. Or some other strict limitations along those lines.

As the person who has last tried to make Sage Mode, the above was among the limitations I made up. Among others, there was also the need for the Summoning Related Jutsu SC and the need for S rank. There were other limitations, but I am too tired right now to go look for it. All i'll say about it is that my Sage Mode was pretty much an incredibly watered down version already, so it might as well have been Pseudo.

That said, it was banned because it was still stronger than the average clan as it was, and nerfing it below what it was was considered "making it useless" to both myself and the members of staff looking at it. So I say "Keep it where it is, on the banlist".

@Crono
You keep trying to come up with things such as these, even though pretty much everything has already been tried and approved, tried and forgotten or tried and denied by me. As a combat roleplayer, I have tried to venture into any possible avenue of fighting techniques, so just trust me when I tell you to drop this topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 5:42 pm

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would it be possible to sit for a couple posts charge your chakra, remain vulnerable for the entire period. then be amplified for the next few posts using a jutsu? is there anything limiting that? no? so you mean to tell me nothing is stopping something like that from being created?

In my own humble opinion, the only benefits you should be allowed from a charge time like this are higher than normal parameters on a specific jutsu. For example, far exceeding conventional range, or increasing a blast radius to otherwise unapprovable proportions. Now I didn't really comment on how I felt about ability effects you wanted, but those I just mentioned being okay with are boosts in regards to a single jutsu. I don't think any ability should allow you to increase everything by a rank. That's an insane power up regardless of whatever downsides are being sacrificed. Even tailed beast forms don't allow that kind of power up.

If you want to look at your beast as being useless then so be it. You have a KKG release, more chakra than anyone else of equal rank unless they are also a jin, the ability to know your opponents elemental natures, and in your beast form you can make lightning bolts rain down on people at will. That's more than my character will ever get from his clan.

As for Jugo's clan, while it isn't on the banned list, I don't see it in the approved clan list either. I don't know if it would ever be approved or not, but I wouldn't allow it if I were in charge. Less for the nature chakra and more because I've seen people do some broken ass shit with it before on other sites and I'd hate to see a repeat of that.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyTue 28 Apr 2015, 5:48 pm

Hiruzen wrote:
As a combat roleplayer, I have tried to venture into any possible avenue of fighting techniques, so just trust me when I tell you to drop this topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 1:19 am

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You have a KKG release

you mean steam release? 1/2 the jutsu known for it has already been reserved by http://www.ultimateshinobi.org/t3427-mushiki-clan-boil-release

and the other 1/2, you know the stuff that gobi and his jin use in the canon, is banned...

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more chakra than anyone else of equal rank unless they are also a jin

I've already commented on the fact that this needs to be changed as it makes no sense to be given freely upon creation. The bijuu's chakra should be something you work on achieving, and given as reward for such training with your bijuu and given through the different forms.

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the ability to know your opponents elemental natures

Not like you can't really tell that from reading hand seals, but okay... It is a unique form of chakra sensory, but not like it can't be duplicated through a custom jutsu for a ninja with a sensory SC.

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and in your beast form you can make lightning bolts rain down on people at will

I've talked to alex about this before(or one of the admins) when I was give the 5 tails, that is a remnant from when gobi had all 5 chakra natures as it's passive. all of it's jutsu was deleted, some traits were struckthrough, and that part fell through the cracks. Its not accurate. It also takes over 10k words just to begin training the full beast form. And with tails 2-5 doing nothing, it's way too much "open" training. that i'd be comfortable preforming on the site. tail one at least lets me preform the universal jutsu. that is if I can ever find out how much chakra it takes to upkeep 1 tail mode.... <_<

personally I find the ability(psudo sage mode) lackluster, wooooo this genin now attacks like a chuunin for 5 posts... scary.. never be able to preform it in actual battle. It's more CD then anything. At sennin it's pointless cause your stuff is already maxed out.

anyway, I don't have time to keep typing, should have left for class 10 minutes ago.


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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 1:29 am

Just wanted to butt in, but having Jins train to get their own massive chakra is ridiculous, Crono. Even long before he started gaining any semblance of control over the Kyuubi, Naruto still had massively large chakra reserves. See; his mass shadow clone spamming.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 1:46 am

@Crono,

EDIT: I had a whole post written out here for a few hours, but to be honest I'm tired of constantly bumping heads with you. I believe you're being pretty closed minded about your own powers and overestimating the difficulty of a 2 post charge time. That pretty much sums up everything I had written. Good luck getting your idea approved, but I don't see myself backing it any time soon.


@BK,

Naruto's massive chakra is also primarily attributed to his Uzumaki heritage. Most of the time, that's his own chakra fueling the OP shadow clone spam. Although the Kyuubi's presence within him definitely makes a difference(Like when he makes hundreds up hundreds of them.)
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 4:03 am

@BK

like mugen said. Originally naruto's seal was designed to allow kurama's chakra to leak out. combined with his heritage it gave him a huge chakra pool, however at the cost of making chakra control more difficult for him. orochimaru exasterbated this fact when he placed odd seals over the even seals on naruto's body, thus restricting the flow of kurama's chakra and further increasing the difficulty naruto had on chakra control. This was removed when Jiraya saw this when he was teaching naruto water walking I think?

Either way, a bijuu's chakra is more intense then normal chakra, as should be it's usage. If you're powering a jutsu using red chakra. It makes more sense that it becomes more powerful or even a different jutsu itself. but I digress.. QUIT GETTING OFF TOPIC. I made this thread for admin assistance. Not for the peanut gallery.

@mugen

Why did you quit staff again... seems all you do is live to mess with my suggestions and counter me at every turn. At least when you were staff I got replies on customs..... been waiting over 2 weeks-month now.... still nothing. Now you're just an annoyance.

Also, considering I only put a bare bones description of it. I actually have no problem including that no other jutsu can be active, including shadow clones, when focusing for those posts. The point of it, really isn't the jutsu but the act itself. Doing it is nice and all(if pulled off), but the real point is really proving my worth to the bijuu through mastering it. Perhaps, utilizing his chakra requires a particular mastery of nature chakra or else his red chakra could have a similar effect as senjutsu in the canon, slowly turning the user into a statue.

When training with the bijuu, I could use this as a way to stabilize that chakra until I have properly found a way to use it without it taking over me. Just like how naruto had to improvise with his shadow clones to use resangan, I might end up relying on this state as a transition while I get used to using red chakra. something like slowly swapping out senjutsu chakra for the bijuu's red chakra in my system.

now back to your counter points, even though you deleted your post. I still have it saved.

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as for enemy natures... the way it's written is that I can sense the natures of chakra in others, not that i can sense the natures of others. Using that interpretation I can feel when someone in "close" proximity is using wind or water chakra... not that I can just walk up to some one and go "hi fire release ninja!" What exactly defines "close".. would I be able to sense that chakra across a house? across a foot ball field? or just on the other side of a table?

and yeah, I may be able to suddenly use B rank, that doesn't mean I suddenly know B rank jutsu. Some jutsu would be incompatible with it. I'd mainly be using C rank jutsu and amplifying those. Stuff like my SST would obviously work, my water sword... would be useful against B rank and below fire jutsu instead of C rank. but you're still limited by your rank as to what jutsu you know.

perhaps a CP cost of 100 would "even" it out for you. that's over 1/3rd of my total chakra capacity and with stronger jutsu comes higher costs. So I'd burnout that much faster. And that would still let me use it at least twice in a training thread.

all of ya'll are caught up in semantics and keep getting off topic. go post your Jin bias and suggestions for a sage mode else where.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 4:36 am

Clearly you don't understand the meaning behind my edit. I'm done here. No matter what I write you won't be satisfied that I have a differing opinion. It's been like this in every single discussion we've had so far and I'm tired of talking to a brick wall. I'll still voice my opinion on anything else you post up because that's what I do. I post in almost everyone's suggestion/question threads. But I'm not going to debate with you anymore. Think what you will of that.

Good day sir.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 9:54 pm

I had said all that I was planning on saying, though I wanted to bump in and say one more thing about all of this. Mugen may not be staff, I may not be staff and BK may not be staff, but if you would actually take the time to look a bit further than the length of your own nose, you would see that people have more or less been trying to help you. Well, Mugen has been trying to help you. I told you that it could not be done the way you wanted it to happen, just like having a Jinchuuriki train for the chakra inside of him would really make no sense. Sure, Naruto had his own big chakra pool thanks in part to his Uzumaki blood, though the Kyuubi was always there to lend bits and pieces of his chakra. But all of that is Canon.

Here on US, we do not let people get a Clan and still be a Jinchuuriki. Here, Jinchuuriki have a mass of chakra and the abilities of their beast. Saying you'd want something like a Sage mode to go along with the Jinchuuriki sounded like a load of bull to me, which is why I shared my thoughts on the matter earlier. You need to stop thinking Canonically and work more on what you can come up with here that has not already been taken by the Mushiki clan.

Bottom line: Drop the Sage mode stuff, row with the oars you have as a bloody Jinchuuriki and stop being a close minded prick to the people that are trying to help you within the boundaries of what is acceptable. That is all.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyWed 29 Apr 2015, 10:25 pm

and once again you both prove to be narrow minded idiots that cant see past labels. none of ya'll had been trying to help, All 3 of you came in here and started spouting off about stuff that doesn't exist and getting my thread completely off track. Ya'll are all so fucking concerned about it being called sage mode that the entire point of the fucking thing is lost.

Are there problems with Jin, Yes. Are there balance issues on the site, Yes. But you know what, considering all three of you were against the idea the moment you read the words "sage mode". Lends your entire argument invalid due to extreme bias. I never once claimed this to be THE sage mode, only a semi kinda form of senjutsu with simple rules and simple applications. If sage mode was a bonfire, this would be a torch.

Fuck it, for all you know I could end up making this part of my tailed forms.... you dont fucking know. now get the fuck out of my thread and quit cluttering it up with bullshit accusations and fear mongering. For someone who claims to want freedom in their RP and not be limited, you sure are a hypocrite, Hiruzen.
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PostSubject: Re: Psudo sage mode? Psudo sage mode? EmptyThu 30 Apr 2015, 12:06 am

I am officially done dealing with you in this thread. You work against yourself by making enemies out of the people that came in here trying to help you out, though you make it painfully obvious that you get some sort of rush out of fighting and arguing with them instead. To keep things from escalating, which will most likely happen when Mugen, BK, myself or someone else stoops down to the level of name-calling and being harassive, I am putting a stop to all of this. You had your chance to speak your mind but dropped the thread to nothing but verbal abusiveness. If you can be civil and grown up about it, I won't stop you from making a new thread, but this particular one will not see any further progress (not that it actually had any, but okay).


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