A Question of Reductions

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Quote :: Name: Kai • Release
Rank: D
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Close (0m - 5m)
Element: N/A
Description: By stopping the flow of chakra in their body, and then applying an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; the user may dispel the effects of a genjutsu. This can also be used on another individual that is stuck in a genjutsu by preforming the necessary hand seal and then touching them, although it consumes half the chakra cost of the Genjutsu.
Chakra Cost: Cost of Genjutsu + 2CP

Kai; academy technique. Used to dispel genjutsu. Classified as Ninjutsu.

Quote :: Name: Ninjutsu Adept
Rank: B
Type: Skill Based
Prerequisites: Must Specialize in Ninjutsu
Training: A 1200 word training is required to gain this special characteristic.
Restrictions: -
Description: A trait possessed by ninja who have trained to improve their ninjutsu ability and acquire rigorous control over their techniques. After much training, the ninja becomes more experienced and exerts more control over the art of Ninjutsu. The potency of their Ninjutsu control means that the cost of each Ninjutsu technique is reduced by 20% (rounded up), as well as recognizing any C-rank and lower Open Ninjutsu.
Element Proficiency: With an additional training post (600 words), users can gain more control over a particular element as well, reducing the cost of a technique of that element by a total of 25% (Rounded up). Said element may also exhibit a particular, unique aesthetic effect. Does not apply to Advanced Elements.
Element: -
Effect: -

Name: Ninjutsu Master
Rank: A
Type: Skill Based
Prerequisites: Must have Ninjutsu Adept
Training: A 1600 word training is required to gain this special characteristic.
Restrictions: -
Description: An ability acquired to highly experienced ninja whose power and knowledge in Ninjutsu could be considered legendary. Through intensive training and practice of the ninja arts, a ninja has attained a vast knowledge of all Ninjutsu and can identify every generic technique. With their now flawless chakra control and knowledge of Ninjutsu, the cost of each Ninjutsu technique is reduced by 40% (rounded up).
Element Mastery: With an additional training post (800 words), users can gain more control over a particular element as well, reducing the cost of a technique of that element by a total of 50% (Rounded up). Said element may also exhibit a particular, unique aesthetic effect. Does not apply to Advanced Elements.
Element: -
Effect: -

Ninjutsu Mastery; an SC designed for reducing the cost of Ninjutsu techniques, from a minimum of 20% to a maximum of 50%.

My question then follows; does Ninjutsu Mastery reduce the cost of breaking an illusion? Say you're caught in an S-rank genjutsu, 39CP, totaling to 41CP to break it. Does it follow, then, that with Ninjutsu Mastery, it only takes 25CP to Kai out of?

Additionally, Genjutsu Mastery;

Quote :: Name: Illusionist
Rank: B
Type: Skill Based
Prerequisites: Must have Genjutsu as a specialty.
Training: A 1200 word training is required to gain this special characteristic.
Restrictions: -
Description: This shinobi has shown a skill for genjutsu early on and can be considered to be more proficient than their peers. Their ability to make their illusions are considered to be at a prodigious level they can do so with much less effort than their peers as such they cost 20% less chakra(Rounded up) to form. Being well versed in genjutsu, that are additionally capable or recognizing any techniques they personally possess.

Name: Master Illusionist
Rank: A
Type: Skill Based
Prerequisites: Must have Genjutsu as a specialty and the Genjutsu Prodigy special characteristic.
Training: A 1600 word training is required to gain this special characteristic.
Restrictions: -
Description: This shinobi has refined their talent for Genjutsu to a point where they are considered to be a master of illusion. Their Illusions are extremely difficult to overpower while being no more difficult to discern their mastery of the mind’s chakra pathways make it extremely difficult to overpower their chakra within their mind. The user can create illusions with such ease and prowess that their illusions cost 40% less chakra(rounded up). Being well versed in genjutsu, that are additionally capable or recognizing any open genjutsu techniques.

Reduces Gen costs by either 20% or 40%. So a 39CP S-rank illusion accordingly costs 24CP to cast. Does it then, therefore, only take 26CP to break the illusion, or must one pay 41, the original cost of the technique?

And it probably goes without saying, but it should definitely avoid stacking with Ninjutsu mastery; ie, S-rank illusionist spends 24CP on an S-rank tech, which is then broken by S-rank ninjutsu master for only 16CP.

Age : 34 Posts : 718

I second these questions.

Age : 32 Posts : 1495

I am not really sure about the first one but the second one is a definite "No". First of all it wouldn't make sense for a SC to give such a trade-off, the purpose of that SC is to purely reduce the chakra cost making the user capable of casting same illusion cheaper. It wouldn't make any sense to weaken the overall genjutsu just because the chakra cost is reduced, no one in their right mind would then obtain such an SC which gives their opponent as much of an advantage as it does to the user.

Age : 32 Posts : 1178

I second these answers.

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Ruka wrote:: I am not really sure about the first one but the second one is a definite "No". First of all it wouldn't make sense for a SC to give such a trade-off, the purpose of that SC is to purely reduce the chakra cost making the user capable of casting same illusion cheaper. It wouldn't make any sense to weaken the overall genjutsu just because the chakra cost is reduced, no one in their right mind would then obtain such an SC which gives their opponent as much of an advantage as it does to the user.

Whether Gen users would allow it is irrelevant; fire does not choose to be weak to water.

The question is of clarification; Kai only states that the cost is "The cost of the genjutsu + 2." Staff must now clarify; does it refer to the cost of the technique by itself, or does it refer to the cost that the illusion caster pays to cast the technique? And as a Ninjutsu, is Kai subject to the reductions of the Ninjutsu mastery SC?

Age : 32 Posts : 1495

BK-201 wrote:

Ruka wrote:: I am not really sure about the first one but the second one is a definite "No". First of all it wouldn't make sense for a SC to give such a trade-off, the purpose of that SC is to purely reduce the chakra cost making the user capable of casting same illusion cheaper. It wouldn't make any sense to weaken the overall genjutsu just because the chakra cost is reduced, no one in their right mind would then obtain such an SC which gives their opponent as much of an advantage as it does to the user.

Whether Gen users would allow it is irrelevant; fire does not choose to be weak to water.

The question is of clarification; Kai only states that the cost is "The cost of the genjutsu + 2." Staff must now clarify; does it refer to the cost of the technique by itself, or does it refer to the cost that the illusion caster pays to cast the technique? And as a Ninjutsu, is Kai subject to the reductions of the Ninjutsu mastery SC?

It's not about fire choosing to be weak over water, it's about an SC giving your opponent the same advantage it gives you - it simply makes no sense. Imagine if your strength SC also made the opponent you fight equally as strong, that's why it makes NO SENSE whatsoever for it to include cost reductions. And last time I checked, my name is still on the Staff box...

P.S. I've come to in my opinion rather acceptable answer to your first question (just an interpretation actually) - the ninjutsu mastery halves only the cost of the jutsu itself, as if in the 2 bonus CP you have to pay in addition to the dispelling cost, you'd only have to pay X + 1 CP for the dispelling of the technique. The example you provided IMO would be too crippling to achieve with an Academy jutsu even if it does come with a mastery SC.

Age : 32 Posts : 1178

This should not even be open to discussion, though it is good that it was brought up. I can see some people actually trying this inRP, which should be avoided as much as possible. Kai needs to be reworded so that it stays open to everyone but does not benefit from SC's.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Kai's cost reflects the original cost of any technique it counters and no it is not applicable to receive any reductions.