Summoning as a Specialty?

Age : 28 Posts : 701

I was informed today, that Summoning has been made a specialty. I feel that this is one of the worst ideas incorporated on the site as of now. And I am not alone.

IF one were to make summoning a specialty, then that would restrict the other powers shinobi are allowed to have. And, that I know of, right now, there haven't been many complaints about people godmodding or metagaming, so, that being the case, the other powers, with summoning included, have been in check.

Also, if you are going to make summoning a specialty, make bunshinjutsu one as well, because that's basically what happened. A form of ninjutsu was made into a specialty.

Age : 36 Posts : 1004

hmmm, dude others still can summon even if they don't have summoning as a specialty

Age : 28 Posts : 701

yes, but the fact of the matter is it plugs a hole into what another specialty could be.

For instance:

If summoning was not a specialty, such as before, on could have Ninjutsu/Genjutsu or w/e.

Now, with it as a specialty, people would have to have one or the other. Either Summoning/Genjutsu, or Summoning/Ninjutsu.

There is no point to have it as a specialty, it is restricting a lot of things.

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

Summoning is one of the many 'taboo' topics that many Naruto RPG's rarely address and more importantly can never come up with a functional system that satisfies its role-players. Come to think of it throughout RPG history there has never been a valid system of how summons should work, hell back in the classic Ingoo days you could summon the Greek Gods. I have never seen summoning guide that actually worked a/o satisfied. I believe there are too many guidelines but also not enough rules.. If you want to touch the subject you need to approach it with a open mind and a substantially high tolerance.

First of all, I believe summoning should be a specialty. Actually back in my Elder Sage days in U.S. 1.0 I was the one who debated with Pat and the other admins to make it a specialty from the get go. Although as usual my argument went nowhere. But why make it a specialty you ask? I believe that with the right system that summoning can surpass that of Ninjutsu, Genjutsu etc. You are correct, Summoning Ninjutsu has never been godmodded before, but thats only because it wasn't used correctly. Granted for the fact that not many people are summoners. But Todd/admins upgraded the summoning guide and so far its fine, but I still have my issues.

Although this thread is for summoning specialty, I'm going to give feedback on the summoning guide.

Although I love my fellow mods/admins Ima be real, rule #6 on the Summoning Guide is a hot mess. Which states that you can either have 1 C rank summon or 2 D ranked summons etc. That's extremely odd seeing as how it makes no sense. Why cant a Jounin who is able to summon a A rank summon be able to summon a D rank? Different ranks have different purposes and I see no reason why a person can't have a limited amount of each rank of summons. BUT what I would do if this rule doesn't change is make those with summoning as a specialty be able to summon all ranks of the summoning animal.

I believe they need to make a small guide for those with summoning as a specialty and those who have it as support. Summons should have more utility to ninja's who specialize in it.

Age : 35 Posts : 1492

Summoning specialty should be a special characteristic. SUmmoning is a form of Ninjutsu, as shown by the need the use Ninjutsu to summon the animal: Kuchiyose no jutsu is listed as a Ninjutsu technique.

POint in case; Hughs application. Summoning of Rashamon. IF summoning is a specialty, it should follow the minor specialty rules in regards to summon levels also.

However, if summoning is made a special characteristic, it makes more since BECAUSE it is Ninjutsu. The SC would just state that the user is more proficient in summoning techniques (ie Jiraiya) compared to elemental techniques.

Age : 28 Posts : 701

I agree partially with Kinu and completely with Caranore.

With Kinu's final statement, saying as how there should be guides for both people who wish to se it a specialty, and for people who wish to use it as support. If one wishes to use it as a specalty, then by all rights, they would be allowed more summons and stronger summons than that of a normal shinobi.

For example, from i depict that Kinu is saying, that people should have a choice in which that they want to use it as a specialty.

Now, this is just a rough sketch, but I have an idea about how to settle this.

SPECIALTY

Posts : 730

Summoning doesn't make sense as a specialty, because your summons can only use your specs. This leaves you with access to only one other spec to pick from, and all of your summons will be stuck with that one, since summons summoning other summons is clearly not going to happen..

The other main problem with this is some people seem to think a summons is stronger, or as strong as, a ninja. Most summons display only moderate useulness, depending on situation. You never see a person summon an army of summons, and just stand there, EXCEPT PAIN. As is obvious, Pain is no good model to be balancing your character off of, as each individual pain was still pretty OP.

Summoned Animals are supposed to be there to add flavor and fun to -YOUR- character. They are not supposed to be stand alone characters on their own. They aren't supposed to be a substitute for a ninja squad, nor are they supposed to be able to run around completing missions on their own because of their lesser powers. I think summons as a specialty fails, because summons are far to easy to abuse. Hell, just look at Jsalos, and no offence to him he's just a good example. Jsalos can summon trees, and the trees have more jutsu than most genin. The tress can use mokuton, and they're all but immortal. This is not a "support" character. At this point, the ninja is the support character.. so what's the point?

As I see it, Summons are supposed to be weak little animals, that have a few handy tricks. They are not meant to be uber awesome, I can beat anything up, monsters. They are there to support you, and lend a hand. They're supposed to be weaker by rank, than ninja. This is why ninjas summon them, and not vice versa. But yeah, that's just my two cents on the matter. If summons does remain as a specialty it leaves me with the possibility of making my own portable army.. so win / win, I guess. ^-^

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

Question.

I plan on making my second character have Senjutsu [Summoning] as one of her specialties. With that I plan on having it so she has a unlimited array of summons as well as techniques that tie along to that specific animal.

I wanted to know if this infringes one of the summoning rules or not.

Thanks.

Age : 34 Posts : 591

Senjutsu is not summoning. It's Sage Mode if I am not wrong. Also, normally a shinobi has a contract to 1 animal type and can summon multiples of that type (With Pein being the only exception to my knowledge). And of course, all the summons have to be approved by this site's staff.

Age : 34 Posts : 591

Also, I totally volunteer to build a summon system for the site. And I bet I can satisfy people, satisfy mods, and in general make it work.

Age : 35 Posts : 1492

Summoning should not be a specialty in my opinion. Summoning is a form of Ninjutsu and the entire thing should remain a special characteristic because the character in question would have a higher affinity to summonings, meaning they can do more.

Jiraiya for example was Nin/Tai if we look at it, with an emphasis on summoning due to the amount he could do with Toads, and he did use a lot of Taijutsu.

Age : 26 Posts : 52

well take into acount thiese facts

Spoiler:

that would use any enormous amount of chakra in the first place but it mght also force the user to use taijutsu as a sub skill.

i beleive if they want to have it as a speciality let them have it but they must be high ranking
and not disallowing others to use summoning.just that more of their skill is twords summoning instead of say ...taijutsu

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Caranore wrote:: Summoning should not be a specialty in my opinion. Summoning is a form of Ninjutsu and the entire thing should remain a special characteristic because the character in question would have a higher affinity to summonings, meaning they can do more.

Jiraiya for example was Nin/Tai if we look at it, with an emphasis on summoning due to the amount he could do with Toads, and he did use a lot of Taijutsu.

Although points of your statement can be considered invalid as Medical is a form of Ninjutsu too, yet is a separate specialty too. (Also; weaponry and kenjutsu is a branch off Taijutsu) I'd still say no to making Summoning a specialty of its own.

Age : 31 Posts : 2547

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