Small Issue [SC]

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

So i was looking around in the Special Characteristics for me to train. I wanted to train the Perception aswell as the Evasiveness.
Except the Evasiveness can only be trained by Tai/Medic users which actually brought me here. I don't understand why It even has a requirement, if it does then why not put so that everyone that has a nature for speed not have it.

For example A weaponry/kenjutsu user has the speed, maybe not like a Taijutsu user, but they have speed above normal Ninjutsu/Genjutsu person, so why not allow Kenjutsu/Weaponry users train for this SC? With such speed comes with great movements/maneuvers in battle.

I was simply wondering why a weaponry or kenjutsu user cannot train this SC, as they may possess almost the same speed as Tai user, and faster than a medical ninja. To my opinion actually i think that this SC shouldn't have no requirements as its something that anyone its supposed to train or can be trained on.

Age : 29 Posts : 269

Look at the description for evasion. Having the SC means you are able to evade attacks by reading movements and making acrobatic flips and movements to get out of harms way. The way evasion would have you moving around attacks is done so in a way that does not necessarily require speed, but rather intellect of how the human body moves and natural grace. Speed alone is not enough to be able to move around like this, because its about moving quickly, not gracefully, nor does speed grant you extensive knowledge of how the body moves. In other words, speed is not required to be evasive, so speed is not a factor in the SC.

The reason this applies to Taijutsu and Medical users is because they would possess the knowledge necessary to make such movements. Taijutsu users are used to fighting up close and personal with their bare hands, and know how the body works, how to read movement, that kind of thing. Medics also understand the way the body works on an even deeper level, which allows them to read a person like a book before they even move, and act accordingly. Either spec also grants the character knowledge of how to move their own body around gracefully and smartly.

So basically, evasion is not about speed, but rather movement anticipation, understanding, and execution. Speed alone is, of course, fast, so it allows quick maneuvers to evade attacks in a certain way. This kind of evasion is something only someone with precise movements, control, and understanding would be able to pull off.

Does that answer your question?

Age : 35 Posts : 1492

Id say that evasion could be opened to close range weaponry users, such as Kenjutsu, etc. If anything, they would have just as good an aptitude at dodging because weapons, such as swords, swung with force can actually move FASTER than a punch or a taijutsu move. You can test this out yourself.

As a real life example, boxers would be an example of taijutsu users, and thus that example works. A baseball player however would be able to pull off the same feat just due to the reaction time needed to swing and hit a small object moving at such high speeds. If one of them got in a fist fight with a boxer, the ability to react to the punches would be the same, and so they may be able to dodge, but the boxer would obviously have more knowledge in reading them so they would be able to anticipate and counter the evasion. (Its a poor example I know, but its an example none the less).

To make it a better example, say a Kenjutsu user got in a fight with a Taijutsu user. They both would be able to anticipate the opponents movements and determine where the attacks were going; the taijutsu user to dodge the swings, the kenjutsu user to hit when the swing is dodged. The reverse applies when the Taijutsu user gets inside the swords range. The Kenjutsu user would be required to be able to dodge if someone DOES push farther into their range than desired.

I would agree with Forecast on his last comment. Evasion isnt something that one or two classes should be able to obtain alone. A Ninjutsu/Genjutsu user who spars constantly with Taijutsu/Kenjutsu opponents would be able to eventually obtain this trait as well, making it universal like stated above.

It isnt a matter of "They have better knowledge" its a matter of "How would one go about obtaining this anticipation and perception." Even certain basic training equipment can go about helping someone train this, so it really should be universal, but with differing word counts on how it is trained. What also might help is some information put in for other specialties so there is a general guideline on how it is trained.

P.S. Tenten had great dodging skills, but was a weaponry user. That is because weaponry users need to target specific vital points because of the size of the weapons, making them much more apt to be able to anticipate opponents moves. Puppetry can also be utilized in the same way because it is actually harder to control a puppet and have it dodge correctly. Most puppets wont just sit there and take full on punches, so the puppetry user must be able to anticipate from a distance what attack may be coming in order to have the puppet dodge it. In this aspect they are more in line with your description on why those two have the specialty Measure.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

To be honest I don't know why Evasiveness wasn't a Tai/Weaponry thing the whole time, I fail to see how it relates to Medical.

Posts : 193

Uh, because medics need to learn how to evade in combat because they are the most valuable asset and the cause of a high sucess rate in a team doing a mission. But thats not the point, my point is that this shouldn't be limited to Tai/Weaponary. Anyone can train to evade in combat, it does not require prior skill or knowledge. Small Issue [SC] 287405

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

I simply think the SC should be open for ANYONE no matter their specialties.

It is something that everyone can train to. But if that canno tbe done, like Caranore explained the SC should be atleast allowed to those whom are slightly physical in battle.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Forecast. wrote:: I simply think the SC should be open for ANYONE no matter their specialties.

It is something that everyone can train to. But if that canno tbe done, like Caranore explained the SC should be atleast allowed to those whom are slightly physical in battle.

I'd have to disagree. The specialities you choose impact on your fighting style a lot, Gaarra is a perfect example of this. Small Issue [SC] 287405

Posts : 193

Why shouldn't it be open to anyone? It's gaara's fault he was perfect with his sand shield and didn't train his evasiveness, cocky bastard. D<

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

Because medics and taijutsu emphasize it more than the other specializations. You all are forgeting the special characteristics are "special". Any ninja can dodge, but medics and taijutsu's can train it more thoroughly because they need it more.

Age : 31 Posts : 299

Medic's shouldn't have it.

IMO it should be completely limited to Taijutsu users, even if you're a kenjutsu or weaponry specialist, it doesn't make you any faster then another kenjutsu or weaponry specialist at dodging things. In the world we have right now, no one is more powerful then any other player from choosing specialties, If two character's both have Kenjutsu, they share the same exact traits [from the start, developments can change with SC/Style choices].

A weaponry user as ES has mentioned does not need evasiveness, they have weapons to parry or stab someone with if they're close enough.

[Side Note]
I think one of the things this site has done right is SC's so far, however i would like to see some "Impediments" or something of the like, that gives you're character some flaws.

Age : 35 Posts : 1492

Quote :: [Side Note]
I think one of the things this site has done right is SC's so far, however i would like to see some "Impediments" or something of the like, that gives you're character some flaws.

That would be very nice. Make it more realistic and cause everyone to improve their RP abilities because they need to work around those. At most itd be like, 1 per character, 2 if they feel confident enough.

Age : 31 Posts : 299

Caranore wrote:

Quote :: [Side Note]
I think one of the things this site has done right is SC's so far, however i would like to see some "Impediments" or something of the like, that gives you're character some flaws.

That would be very nice. Make it more realistic and cause everyone to improve their RP abilities because they need to work around those. At most itd be like, 1 per character, 2 if they feel confident enough.

- http://www.ultimateshinobi.com/t4703-qualities-and-impediments-corruption#41300

Age : 31 Posts : 1836

What I would suggest is making the C-Rank version of Evasiveness available to all, much like Improved Speed and Improved Strength, as the lowest rank does not really give that much of an advantage to the user. However, at the very least, a Weaponry user should be able to use this trait.

As for the higher ranked version, it should be limited instead to Taijutsu users, Medical Ninja, and Weaponry users. Caranore pretty much stated the reasons as to why a Weaponry user is entitled to possess this skill. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of weapon-based ninja in Naruto to referrence. However, it should be noted that characters like Kisame, Hidan, and Asuma, all of whom used "weapons" to fight, were excellent at dodging and blocking the other's attacks.

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

Quote :: What I would suggest is making the C-Rank version of Evasiveness available to all, much like Improved Speed and Improved Strength, as the lowest rank does not really give that much of an advantage to the user. However, at the very least, a Weaponry user should be able to use this trait.

As for the higher ranked version, it should be limited instead to Taijutsu users, Medical Ninja, and Weaponry users. Caranore pretty much stated the reasons as to why a Weaponry user is entitled to possess this skill. Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of weapon-based ninja in Naruto to referrence. However, it should be noted that characters like Kisame, Hidan, and Asuma, all of whom used "weapons" to fight, were excellent at dodging and blocking the other's attacks.

Very well.

Who else is in favor for this idea?

Age : 31 Posts : 299

That seems logical.

Age : 31 Posts : 1036

I am. That's all I wanted from the beggining. Lol So that everyone gets to use the SC at C. As well as I agree on Ulkira's idea, to allow Tai/Med/Weaponry users to have this SC at a more advanced level.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

I have a rather simple suggestion that would allow characters that are not specialised in the required art such as Taijutsu, to be able to acquire the special characteristic, except that they would need to work a lot harder in order to gain it. And guessing from that, you may already know that what I'm proposing is, that if you are not specialised in, say, Taijutsu, you can still learn or rather achieve Demolishing Strength, Flash Speed and, like in this particular case, Elite Evasivness, by performing a training topic which has (at least) the double of the normal word count, which outlines, shows and explains your determination and effort with which you are trying to overcome the fact that whilst you may not be (e.g) skilled in Taijutsu, (e.g) speed is something that you value and with enough training, is achievable even to you.

As such, those players who would be extremely determined to have a SC which would require them to make a training topic (at least) twice the length of the norm, would be granted the characteristic as reward for the hard work and effort. Of course, RP quality would be more important than usual.

Posts : 193

I agree with both suggestions. Small Issue [SC] 287405

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Enma wrote:: I have a rather simple suggestion that would allow characters that are not specialised in the required art such as Taijutsu, to be able to acquire the special characteristic, except that they would need to work a lot harder in order to gain it. And guessing from that, you may already know that what I'm proposing is, that if you are not specialised in, say, Taijutsu, you can still learn or rather achieve Demolishing Strength, Flash Speed and, like in this particular case, Elite Evasivness, by performing a training topic which has (at least) the double of the normal word count, which outlines, shows and explains your determination and effort with which you are trying to overcome the fact that whilst you may not be (e.g) skilled in Taijutsu, (e.g) speed is something that you value and with enough training, is achievable even to you.

As such, those players who would be extremely determined to have a SC which would require them to make a training topic (at least) twice the length of the norm, would be granted the characteristic as reward for the hard work and effort. Of course, RP quality would be more important than usual.

Makes things even more complex and personally I'm not too keen on it.

Age : 31 Posts : 299

You can't train to the point of being amazing at something. You may be the best Ninjutsu/Genjutsu user ever, but you'll never be as "Evasive" as a taijutsu user for instance. its the simple fact of the matter that choosing the specialty gives you certain bonuses.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Silver wrote:: You can't train to the point of being amazing at something. You may be the best Ninjutsu/Genjutsu user ever, but you'll never be as "Evasive" as a taijutsu user for instance. its the simple fact of the matter that choosing the specialty gives you certain bonuses.

This.

Age : 31 Posts : 1836

Adam wrote:

Enma wrote:: I have a rather simple suggestion that would allow characters that are not specialised in the required art such as Taijutsu, to be able to acquire the special characteristic, except that they would need to work a lot harder in order to gain it. And guessing from that, you may already know that what I'm proposing is, that if you are not specialised in, say, Taijutsu, you can still learn or rather achieve Demolishing Strength, Flash Speed and, like in this particular case, Elite Evasivness, by performing a training topic which has (at least) the double of the normal word count, which outlines, shows and explains your determination and effort with which you are trying to overcome the fact that whilst you may not be (e.g) skilled in Taijutsu, (e.g) speed is something that you value and with enough training, is achievable even to you.

As such, those players who would be extremely determined to have a SC which would require them to make a training topic (at least) twice the length of the norm, would be granted the characteristic as reward for the hard work and effort. Of course, RP quality would be more important than usual.

Makes things even more complex and personally I'm not too keen on it.

Likewise.

Age : 31 Posts : 1118

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