The Benefit of Clanless

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

There should be a benefit to not choosing to be apart of a clan Clan, seeing as a Clan either grants you an advantage in the form of a Kekkei Genkai, or Jutsu, or both. There is no way to argue this. A Clan is an advantage and being without one, usually, is a disadvantage. Something should be done to balance this somewhat.

The easiest benefit that I can come up with, is having more Special Characteristics. But if you have better ideas, be sure to suggest them.

P.S. In IC terms, a character would be expected to spend time practicing the ways of the Clan. In contrast, a Clanless character could be spending their time, honing the 'standard' Shinobi Arts. Et cetera

Age : 32 Posts : 869

I'm all for more Special Characteristics, but than they would have to be for clan-less only. Because if anybody can get it, what's the point? Right now that's the only thing I could think of but if something does come up, I'll be sure to post it in here.

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Having a clanless character myself, I'd have to agree with Chris on this one. Members of clans have a huge advantage that usually puts people without Kekkei Genkai on the back foot and slightly upsets the balance of power. If we were to be allowed something extra, such as a Special Characteristic, it might even things out a bit.

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Clans were made pretty much to give an advantage over others. Besides many ninja were plenty powerful with no clan, Kabuto, Sasori, Zabuza, the third hokage, the fourth hokage, hell even half the senju clan doesn't have the special wood. They are just normal people that have a history for producing great ninja. The clans are meant to give an advantage at the cost of being locked in with creativity. Clanless allows for you to be more creative with what your character can have for skills or in some cases appearance.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Kiseki wrote:: Clans were made pretty much to give an advantage over others. Besides many ninja were plenty powerful with no clan, Kabuto, Sasori, Zabuza, the third hokage, the fourth hokage, hell even half the senju clan doesn't have the special wood. They are just normal people that have a history for producing great ninja. The clans are meant to give an advantage at the cost of being locked in with creativity. Clanless allows for you to be more creative with what your character can have for skills or in some cases appearance.

That sounds like bullshit to me. Nothing stops an Uchiha from getting Summons or becoming a Sage or designing a new element or having a unique fighting style or a distinct set of genjutsu. Nothing stops a Clanless person from doing that either. Problem is that at the end of the day, one is an Uchiha with extra power and the other is not.

All I'm saying is, for example, count a Kekkei Genkai as a SC slot or give another slot to a Clanless character. That way, even if you have a 'special power' or 'unique jutsu', a Clanless character might be able to match you via the use of extra SCs. Look at my IC example:

Chris wrote:: P.S. In IC terms, a character would be expected to spend time practicing the ways of the Clan. In contrast, a Clanless character could be spending their time, honing the 'standard' Shinobi Arts. Et cetera

It makes sense to have extra SCs.

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The uchiha require fire as an element forcing them to be picky with what advance element they want. If it locks you with a certain element at the cost of a dojutsu many people can consider that to stop the creativity. It goes for appearance as well since you generally need black hair to be an uchiha. I think forcing kkg to take up a slot is a pointless idea and giving clanless characters is one as well. It would be better to just give you an exclusive one that could even the playing field slightly. Even then that itself is a stretch. So far I am viewing this topic as someone who hates the uchiha so much they decided to ruin it for everyone

Not very nice broski. Best to leave things as they are since no one before you really brought it up but then again this is why we have this here. To see if anyone agrees with you or me.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

I'm merely using the Uchiha as an example. And again, not really. I personally had a Nara character who was ginger and was reasonably sucky at Shogi, even if it was expected of him to be a black-haired, master of the game xD Plus it's not like you're forced to choose a clan. You choose the one which suits whatever kind of character you're making. It's not like you make an Uchiha and then realise mid-way that you 'have to have' the Fire element.

Just saying: Clans give you extra power.

Age : 32 Posts : 869

Exactly what Chris said. Look at me for example, my Uchiha looks nothing like one and I made a completely new way of using genjutsu. Having a clan doesn't mean your creativity is locked. Look at Persy too. An Uchiha who is blind! So everybody can be creative whether they have a clan or not.

Besides I do not have to have fire as a primary element if I choose so, however I do because it wanted it. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Chhhaa Bra. That is the point of getting in a clan. That is why they are appealing. That is why characters tend to be jealous of powerful clans. It gives them an edge they actually have to work for. Prime example is rock lee and might guy. They dislike clans because it gives them an edge they had to work to get to. But they still remain extremely powerful by only using taijutsu. All I am saying broski is that don't be hatin' on us clanz.

Persy also isn't a legit uchiha bro. Doubt she takes up a slot. She can't even use the dojutsu.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Chris wrote:: Plus it's not like you're forced to choose a clan. You choose the one which suits whatever kind of character you're making. It's not like you make an Uchiha and then realise mid-way that you 'have to have' the Fire element.

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Kiseki wrote:: The uchiha require fire as an element forcing them to be picky with what advance element they want. If it locks you with a certain element at the cost of a dojutsu many people can consider that to stop the creativity. It goes for appearance as well since you generally need black hair to be an uchiha. I think forcing kkg to take up a slot is a pointless idea and giving clanless characters is one as well. It would be better to just give you an exclusive one that could even the playing field slightly. Even then that itself is a stretch. So far I am viewing this topic as someone who hates the uchiha so much they decided to ruin it for everyone Not very nice broski. Best to leave things as they are since no one before you really brought it up but then again this is why we have this here. To see if anyone agrees with you or me.

I think it's wrong to see this topic as aimed solely at the Uchiha, every clan member gets a benefit from being a member of a clan. Yes, you do have to pick certain traits for belonging to certain clans, but that's a small sacrifice, and if it's really that bad, there's always other clans. Also, appearance is a bit irrelevant; sure, clans may limit the ways in which we can style our character but that's not a huge deal, I think Chris is looking more at the way clan members have an upper hand in combat and the like. Hence the extra SC for clanless to balance the power. Like Ivan said, it doesn't completely block creativity. And hell, if you feel it really does when you're making your character, you can always chose the option of going clanless.

Age : 32 Posts : 869

Kiseki wrote:: Persy also isn't a legit uchiha bro. Doubt she takes up a slot. She can't even use the dojutsu.

Dead wrong. She can use it very well.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

RockBoy wrote:

Kiseki wrote:: Persy also isn't a legit uchiha bro. Doubt she takes up a slot. She can't even use the dojutsu.

Dead wrong. She can use it very well.

No she can't she's blind she can't use the Sharingan, look at her application there's no Uchiha techniques on there. The Benefit of Clanless 287405

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Adam wrote:

RockBoy wrote:

Kiseki wrote:: Persy also isn't a legit uchiha bro. Doubt she takes up a slot. She can't even use the dojutsu.

Dead wrong. She can use it very well.

No she can't she's blind she can't use the Sharingan, look at her application there's no Uchiha techniques on there. The Benefit of Clanless 287405

ADAM GOT MAH BACK! The Benefit of Clanless 287405

Age : 32 Posts : 869

Aha, I misunderstood what she wrote in the team topic. She was talking about her Chakra Echolocation while I though she was talking about Sharingan.

Subject: Re: The Benefit of Clanless Sun 24 Jun 2012, 3:38 pm

I no has sharingan! The Benefit of Clanless 287405

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

Honestly this seems like a big fuss over nothing. Members choose how they want their characters to look, how they want to think and act. They also choose if they want to be part of a clan or not. If you don't wish to gain the privileges of joining a clan, then that's completely up to you. Just don't expect a shoulder to cry on when you complain about being at a disadvantage because someone has a KKG or Hidden Jutsu. You had the opportunity to join a clan and you chose not to. Simple as that really.

Age : 29 Posts : 1585

Cookie Monster wrote:: Honestly this seems like a big fuss over nothing. Members choose how they want their characters to look, how they want to think and act. They also choose if they want to be part of a clan or not. If you don't wish to gain the privileges of joining a clan, then that's completely up to you. Just don't expect a shoulder to cry on when you complain about being at a disadvantage because someone has a KKG or Hidden Jutsu. You had the opportunity to join a clan and you chose not to. Simple as that really.

Tadaa~

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Cookie Monster wrote:: Honestly this seems like a big fuss over nothing. Members choose how they want their characters to look, how they want to think and act. They also choose if they want to be part of a clan or not. If you don't wish to gain the privileges of joining a clan, then that's completely up to you. Just don't expect a shoulder to cry on when you complain about being at a disadvantage because someone has a KKG or Hidden Jutsu. You had the opportunity to join a clan and you chose not to. Simple as that really.

Roo supports this.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Let's see. People who dislike this:

Darius - Uchiha.
Babis - Kaguya
Kiseki - Senju.

Um. Pattern anyone?

People who like this:
Chris - Clanless
Winged Blade - Clanless
RockBoy - Uchiha, but a nice guy (xD)

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Senju isn't KKG I wouldn't be affected by this. So yeah. Razz

nice try though broski

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Kiseki wrote:: Senju isn't KKG I wouldn't be affected by this. So yeah. nice try though broski

You wouldn't directly be affected, but the clanless characters would get an extra SC slot which you wouldn't, or the other suggestion would mean you'd be a SC slot down. Just Sayin'. Also Chris, whilst I see your point, I doubt the fact that their characters originate from a clan is the sole point of their disagreement. Although it may play a part, admittedly.

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

Chris wrote:: Let's see. People who dislike this:

Darius - Uchiha.
Babis - Kaguya
Kiseki - Senju.

Um. Pattern anyone?

People who like this:
Chris - ~~Clanless~~ Characterless
Winged Blade - Clanless
RockBoy - Uchiha, but a nice guy (xD)

It's quite interesting to see that you once belonged to the Uchiha and Nara clan with everything being fine, yet now you're clanless, suddenly everything appears out of balance. Like I said, everyone is able to make their character how they want to make it, thus everyone has had the opportunity to join a clan. You cannot blame the site for being unbalanced when the decision is down to you and you alone. People have also made some equally strong clanless characters as well, it's not as if it's impossible. What is this, the Equalist movement of Naruto?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Cookie Monster wrote:: What is this, the Equalist movement of Naruto?

What is wrong with some equality? D: You narutoist!

Lol frankly, it's because I'm not part of a Clan that I realised 'hey, wait a second, um... Clans just give you a power up for free'. I mean yeah we have Summonings and Biju, but people with Clans can have them too. And I think that there were talks of a Cursed Seal which was supposed to be exclusive for Clanless people, but that never happened.

As I said, having extra SCs was just a suggestion on my part. It wasn't the definitive solution. Hey, I'm not even saying we have to change anything - I just want to highlight the fact that members with Clans get more than members without Clans.

And Darius, please stop being afraid of change.

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Cookie Monster wrote:: Like I said, everyone is able to make their character how they want to make it, thus everyone has had the opportunity to join a clan. You cannot blame the site for being unbalanced when the decision is down to you and you alone. People have also made some equally strong clanless characters as well, it's not as if it's impossible.

Whilst I see your point, this essentially encourages everybody to join a clan as it's a large advantage; but there are limits on the number of members each clan is allowed, which means power is being dished out in a first come, first served style. With the current system in place, it's hard to imagine why people would not want to go with a clan. I think the idea of a Special Characteristic slot as compensation of sorts for those who have gone without a clan would make both options seem equally appealing. It all comes down to balancing out the distribution of power, hence I can't see a reason why such a thing shouldn't be put in place.