The Benefit of Clanless

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

Chris wrote:: Lol frankly, it's because I'm not part of a Clan that I realised 'hey, wait a second, um... Clans just give you a power up for free'. I mean yeah we have Summonings and Biju, but people with Clans can have them too. And I think that there were talks of a Cursed Seal which was supposed to be exclusive for Clanless people, but that never happened.

As I said, having extra SCs was just a suggestion on my part. It wasn't the definitive solution. Hey, I'm not even saying we have to change anything - I just want to highlight the fact that members with Clans get more than members without Clans.

Clans aren't something that can simply hand out power for free, each member has to work for their techniques, through roleplaying and performing missions, clan affiliated or not. At the end of the day, all that you're gaining from joining a clan is something special and unique that only a handful of other members have on the site. Clans do also have their disadvantages as well, some force you to stick to only one element, one specialty, certain SC's etc... Don't just think you're instantly at a disadvantage because you're against a person with a KKG or Hidden Jutsu, because at times the playing field can be very much so equal.

You're also not completely correct in some of your arguments. Members cannot belong to clans if they wish to become a Jinchuuriki, that's quite a huge benefit to going clanless. We've also made it so that only non - clan related characters are able to attempt gaining a doujutsu from an Uchiha or Hyuuga, again, a benefit for the clanless. Yes, we were going to make it so that only clanless members would be able to gain the Cursed Seal, in fact, I'm sure we'd also make that so for Sage Mode as well, but neither of them have been released. Why? Oddly enough it's because of equality. We were unable to make either work fairly without nerfing them to the point of being useless and instead being used for bragging rights.

Now I feel this whole argument is being looked at from the wrong perspective. Clans are meant to be special, unique. Not something that a every person on the site belongs to, instead of asking the question, what's the benefit of going clanless? The question should be, what's the benefit of joining a clan? There should be more people not belonging to a clan rather than more people belonging to clans. We're not going to strictly regulate it though so the population the clanless outnumber the population of the clans. That would cause quite the outcry from the community.

Chris wrote:: And Darius, please stop being afraid of change.

It may seem as though I'm 'afraid of change' at times, but that's simply because I wish to take a more conservative view when it comes to matters such as these. I only ever find the need to change something if absolutely necessary and I honestly don't believe there is a solid enough argument to allow clanless members more SC's. In fact, granting such a thing would cause more of an unbalance, as SC's themselves can change the playing field if used correctly.

Winged Blade wrote:: Whilst I see your point, this essentially encourages everybody to join a clan as it's a large advantage; but there are limits on the number of members each clan is allowed, which means power is being dished out in a first come, first served style. With the current system in place, it's hard to imagine why people would not want to go with a clan. I think the idea of a Special Characteristic slot as compensation of sorts for those who have gone without a clan would make both options seem equally appealing. It all comes down to balancing out the distribution of power, hence I can't see a reason why such a thing shouldn't be put in place.

We actually don't even function like that as a Site, we only award members clan positions such as the Uchiha, Hyuuga, Haretsu etc... If they carry an exceptional level of roleplay, don't easily abuse the power of clans and also if they stay active and committed to their characters. We would never simply give someone a rare ability because they asked for it, we've denied many people in the past and we'll continue to deny people if we feel they're not at our level of expectation.

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

So I read the topic and here's my take on the situation:

Clanless ninja, as it stands now, are at a disadvantage. There is no denying this. If you have no clan you are missing out on some sort of advantage on what you can and can't do as a ninja. On the other hand clanless ninja have the advantage of flexibility. I can say as an Uchiha that I was very disappointed to find out that I had to take Katon as one of my elements. I could have, at that point, said no to the Uchiha but eventually I decided that I'd like to play an Uchiha because at the time I had already designed 80% of the character concept and I didn't feel like starting over.

I currently have a second design for a character who will be clanless though and I can tell you now, as I currently design him per the site's standards and rules, I am finding a good deal of flexibility in him, one of these things being the option to apply for a jinchuriki position if I wanted to do so.

Still, clanless ninja are at a disadvantage. Should something be done? Yes. Should it be in the form of an extra SC? No. SC are too powerful to be doling them out for compensation payments. SC change your entire style and give massive boosts when the right ones are taken. By giving clanless extra SC you will shift the balance toward clanless ninja being the superior ones. From a canon stand point that makes no sense at all. I agree with Darius' idea of incorporating curse seals and sage modes to clanless characters if it is done right.

Now though, something that needs to be said. At creation it is stated that you can choose a clan and even later you are free to pick up a clan when you want to. You, as a clanless ninja are never barred from the power of choosing a clan. The only time you will be restricted from clan powers is if the slots are filled or if you are denied from an exclusive clan. You are always free to pick up a clan and thus the complaining that clanless ninjas are too weak is moot as you have willingly and are willingly choosing to be at this disadvantage. Every day that you play your character and choose not to pick a clan you are choosing to put that extra difficulty on yourself for whatever personal reason you have.

To demand that you receive compensation just seems odd to me when you know that you can at any time fix the issue by simply PMing an Admin or applying in the custom's registry. Unless this rule was changed without me knowing then there should be no argument here. Things may happen to make the route of clanless more appealing but as of now being clanless is just a personal choice that you are making for the sake of RP and it can be changed at any time you wish.

-Kite

Age : 27 Posts : 106

Cookie Monster wrote:: Clans aren't something that can simply hand out power for free, each member has to work for their techniques, through roleplaying and performing missions, clan affiliated or not.

This statement seems rather incorrect to me, insofar I've haven't seen a requirement for a longer or better quality app for the Aburame Clan. We keep on using the Uchiha and Senju as examples, but really- no Clan is any better or any worse then the other. It all depends on the player behind them. I could turn a Akimichi or a Yamanka into a deadly killing machine fair easier then either Senju or Uchiha. I'm the sort of person who has his Homosexual Walruses Summons pick apart a Bijuu, organ by organ.

Cookie Monster wrote:: At the end of the day, all that you're gaining from joining a clan is something special and unique that only a handful of other members have on the site. Clans do also have their disadvantages as well, some force you to stick to only one element, one specialty, certain SC's etc... Don't just think you're instantly at a disadvantage because you're against a person with a KKG or Hidden Jutsu, because at times the playing field can be very much so equal.

We don't. We've been on both sides of the field(Chris there), and know both sides of the story.

Cookie Monster wrote:: You're also not completely correct in some of your arguments. Members cannot belong to clans if they wish to become a Jinchuuriki, that's quite a huge benefit to going clanless. We've also made it so that only non - clan related characters are able to attempt gaining a doujutsu from an Uchiha or Hyuuga, again, a benefit for the clanless. Yes, we were going to make it so that only clanless members would be able to gain the Cursed Seal, in fact, I'm sure we'd also make that so for Sage Mode as well, but neither of them have been released. Why? Oddly enough it's because of equality. We were unable to make either work fairly without nerfing them to the point of being useless and instead being used for bragging rights.

And I'm glad you haven't, Curse Seals and Sage Mode are overkill. Bijuu are also overkill in my opinion. I'd much rather have them as plot events where the luckiest or the strongest is going to get his/her prize. But hey, not my site.

Cookie Monster wrote:: Now I feel this whole argument is being looked at from the wrong perspective. Clans are meant to be special, unique. Not something that a every person on the site belongs to, instead of asking the question, what's the benefit of going clanless? The question should be, what's the benefit of joining a clan?

The whole concept is that instead of training what have you in their Clan Arts, they spend time honing more basic skills. So they become more adept at whatever they choose to specialise in. In the same way the Clan Member gains access to more innately destructive, powerful techniques.
It's not like the Clanless Shinobi are in a different time zone in which they miss out on time in which a Clan Member has.

I'm not looking for anything major. Heck, I consider Curse Seal and Sage Mode too much to be granted just because of being Clanless. Maybe refer back to something else I said. They become that much better at their chosen arts then those who spent time differently. Maybe Tai Users are slightly stronger, maybe Nin Users have better Chakra Control(while it's a bad example, we have a Clanless Sakura with better chakra control then Naruto or Sasuke, both of whom are in a Clan. Or Rock Lee who has spent his entire life devoted to Taijutsu). Personally I think an SC would be the best option but many more, experienced people are saying that it would make things unfair.

Age : 34 Posts : 591

As a Yuki (Clanned) let me say this

People without clans deserve some sorta bonus.

Story wise it makes sense
- (More time to train your mind/body/etc since you're not going through clan lessons)
- (about 85% of the ninja populace is supposed to be non-clan)

Balance Wise it makes sense
- (Clanless ninja are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to facing me. I get ice [Which is resistant to most fire so long as I put chakra into it], same number of standard elements, same number of specs, and the same number of SC's they do. That means my character has more stuff to do. I can do just about everything.
- (Some clans like the Senju have natural SC's that don't even take up a slot. Like the fact that they can generally take more abuse than other people)

So why not give them a handful of SC to make up for it? Nothing spectacular. Like 1 extra SC. Maybe 2. I mean hell, we already have a career that does the same thing.

So let's do a handstand real quick and watch this: Why SHOULDN'T they have more SC's? I've yet to see a real good reason for that. So far all I got is "Stop crying about it and join a clan"

Got a better reason they shouldn't get an extra SC? Lay it on me.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Fuck I can't wait to post on this tonight. TEEHEE

Age : 27 Posts : 106

What starts with a 'c' and ends with 'teaser'.
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Conclusion Teaser, you sick people who thought what you did.

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

Quote :: Still, clanless ninja are at a disadvantage. Should something be done? Yes. Should it be in the form of an extra SC? No. SC are too powerful to be doling them out for compensation payments. SC change your entire style and give massive boosts when the right ones are taken.

Love how everyone just seems to blow past my post and hit Darius' post even though mine came AFTER his...

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TOPKite wrote:

Quote :: Still, clanless ninja are at a disadvantage. Should something be done? Yes. Should it be in the form of an extra SC? No. SC are too powerful to be doling them out for compensation payments. SC change your entire style and give massive boosts when the right ones are taken.

Love how everyone just seems to blow past my post and hit Darius' post even though mine came AFTER his...

Given that I'm new, and have yet to RP with a character who isn't from a clan, I've yet to actually experience an extra amount of flexibility, inflexibility or difficulty with a particular type of character. Really, there isn't much I can add to the argument on either side other than the fact that if you're creative enough, you should be able to make things work to your benefit within the rules. To make this post valid however, I'd like to offer a suggestion to (hopefully) address Kite's statement that something should be done.

My suggestion is to have characters without a clan be able to train an additional speciality up to B-rank instead of C-rank, or something similar. This somewhat ties in with Tabris's idea of having characters without a KKG be more capable in certain ninja arts. It's not inherit of course, rather, it's the result of demanding training, just like clansmen require demanding training to gain access to particular jutsu or abilities unique to their clan.

Simply put, the area as to where that extra training goes is dispersed differently. The clan member's training goes towards his clan's traits/jutsu, while the character without a clan trains to further increase their knowledge of a speciality that they're not as talented with. This can perhaps, be treated as an additional SC. Something like this:

Spoiler:

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

I'd like to start my post by stating, I'm for some sort of bonus for clanless characters. I think that with the right build clanless characters can be just as good as characters with a clan but most people seem to pick being clanless as a lazy way out or simply because they aren't fond of any previously created clans. Anyway, as I stated I'm for clanless characters getting some sort of compensation for not choosing a clan and will discuss it as the thread goes on but in the meantime I'd like to just address some of the things in this topic.

Chris wrote:: Let's see. People who dislike this:

Darius - Uchiha.
Babis - Kaguya
Kiseki - Senju.

Um. Pattern anyone?

People who like this:
Chris - Clanless
Winged Blade - Clanless
RockBoy - Uchiha, but a nice guy (xD)

brb, posting a topic for people to give opinions on and practically claiming those have a massive biased to change merely because they have clans. Darius has expressed numerous valid reasons against the allowance of an added bonus for clanless members and to be frank it has really ended up coming across that way from you Chris, that you're bitter because clanless people don't have that bonus and people are saying "Well, you had the chance to join a clan." Which is an entirely accurate statement.

Cookie Monster wrote:: It's quite interesting to see that you once belonged to the Uchiha and Nara clan with everything being fine, yet now you're clanless, suddenly everything appears out of balance.

Ridiculously Strong This.

Cookie Monster wrote:: What is this, the Equalist movement of Naruto?

Kiseki wrote:: Senju isn't KKG I wouldn't be affected by this. So yeah. nice try though broski

Senju has a Kekkei Genkai, it's called Mokuton - Wood Release. It isn't just Secret Jutsu, Advanced Elements such as Wood Release are Kekkei Genkai bro, sorry to break the news.

My British Babe wrote:: We actually don't even function like that as a Site, we only award members clan positions such as the Uchiha, Hyuuga, Haretsu etc... If they carry an exceptional level of roleplay, don't easily abuse the power of clans and also if they stay active and committed to their characters. We would never simply give someone a rare ability because they asked for it, we've denied many people in the past and we'll continue to deny people if we feel they're not at our level of expectation.

Couldn't have put it any better.

Some guy who I refuse to acknowledge by name because apparently that's the cool thing to do in this thread wrote:: Should something be done? Yes. Should it be in the form of an extra SC? No. SC are too powerful to be doling them out for compensation payments. SC change your entire style and give massive boosts when the right ones are taken. By giving clanless extra SC you will shift the balance toward clanless ninja being the superior ones.

I completely agree Eric [OMG I TOTZ SAID IT], the fact is that even the combination of Strength and Speed Special Characteristics at higher ranks make characters ridiculous, which you already have Chris. So at lets say A-rank so I'm not massively exaggerating and making it dramatic by making it S-rank and whipping out all the top level SC's. At A-rank you're permitted maximum 5 SC's, so being clanless would allow you 6. Your character could end up with Flash Speed, Demolishing Strength, Iron Endurance, Blurred Hand Movement, Enormous Chakra Capacity and Elementalist which would then also permit you a third element. That one extra slot can be more damaging than most clans on the forum regardless. Most of the Special Characteristics hardly fit into our attempt to balance this forum as best they could and hopefully we get to make better variants of them sooner rather than later but regardless of that I hardly think Special Characteristics is the way to go.

Tabris wrote:: This statement seems rather incorrect to me, insofar I've haven't seen a requirement for a longer or better quality app for the Aburame Clan. We keep on using the Uchiha and Senju as examples, but really- no Clan is any better or any worse then the other. It all depends on the player behind them. I could turn a Akimichi or a Yamanka into a deadly killing machine fair easier then either Senju or Uchiha. I'm the sort of person who has his Homosexual Walruses Summons pick apart a Bijuu, organ by organ.

Strong contradiction, state no clan is better than any other yet you could easily turn an Akimichi or Yamakana into a killing machine easier than a Senju or Uchiha. Taking into account the fact that you state its the player behind them you still contradicted yourself, lol. As for your statement in regards to the lack of requirement for better quality applications for Aburame, you obviously don't understand how it works. Clans like the Senju, Uchiha, Kaguya, Hyuuga, Haretsu are easily abusable clans and extremely popular clans. So many new players apply for these clans especially the Hyuuga and Uchiha, when they really don't have the capabilities of handling these characters because of all the systems we have in place that could be considered hindrances to members of these clans in attempts to level the playing field. These clans are high demand and as Darius stated above we don't just hand them out to everybody who asks for them, there does need to be requirements for certain features on the site.

Euphoria wrote:

Given that I'm new, and have yet to RP with a character who isn't from a clan, I've yet to actually experience an extra amount of flexibility, inflexibility or difficulty with a particular type of character. Really, there isn't much I can add to the argument on either side other than the fact that if you're creative enough, you should be able to make things work to your benefit within the rules. To make this post valid however, I'd like to offer a suggestion to (hopefully) address Kite's statement that something should be done.

My suggestion is to have characters without a clan be able to train an additional speciality up to B-rank instead of C-rank, or something similar. This somewhat ties in with Tabris's idea of having characters without a KKG be more capable in certain ninja arts. It's not inherit of course, rather, it's the result of demanding training, just like clansmen require demanding training to gain access to particular jutsu or abilities unique to their clan.

Simply put, the area as to where that extra training goes is dispersed differently. The clan member's training goes towards his clan's traits/jutsu, while the character without a clan trains to further increase their knowledge of a speciality that they're not as talented with. This can perhaps, be treated as an additional SC. Something like this:

Spoiler:

I'm liking this more than anything else so far, Eric has already mentioned it in the Staff Lounge and could be an interesting way to appease those who choose to be clanless. Would like to see this point be discussed in depth by members and staff alike.

COOKIE!

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Just for the record, I'm not bitter D: As Darius said, I could have chosen a Clan. So meh. I'm merely basing this on NWOTN's system, is all.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Chris wrote:: Just for the record, I'm not bitter D: As Darius said, I could have chosen a Clan. So meh. I'm merely basing this on NWOTN's system, is all.

As much as both you and I love NWOTN 3.0, we aren't NWOTN 3.0 nor do we plan to be. We are our own site and you can't base what you're saying in regards to US to another sites systems.

COOKIE!

You're one post shy of 1000 bro. Make it special. Aww yeah

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Totally wasted it on an intro topic D: So much for being epic.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Whoever's introduction that is better fucking appreciate the epicness of that 1000th post.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

All this and no one hit on a simple solution? If someone from a clan is learning techniques outside of their clan's list, double the experience cost to learn the technique while techniques from their clan list cost half as much xp. I would liken it to learning a language you had no exposure too; it takes much more effort because you have to not only learn new things but to stop thinking in a familiar pattern.

Unlike adding extra SC slots or "third" specializations something like this won't screw up the existing balance of power. It does however provide a pretty hefty advantage to non-clan people since they can learn more and stronger techniques faster than a counterpart in a clan.

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Dude hell no. I am completely against that. All I use is water earth and wood. Majority of my new skills are going to consist of water so why should I have to pay extra?

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

NuclearTreerat wrote:: All this and no one hit on a simple solution? If someone from a clan is learning techniques outside of their clan's list, double the experience cost to learn the technique while techniques from their clan list cost half as much xp. I would liken it to learning a language you had no exposure too; it takes much more effort because you have to not only learn new things but to stop thinking in a familiar pattern.

Unlike adding extra SC slots or "third" specializations something like this won't screw up the existing balance of power. It does however provide a pretty hefty advantage to non-clan people since they can learn more and stronger techniques faster than a counterpart in a clan.

I'm sorry but that is just not a good idea in the slightest. Aside from the fact that you are now suddenly changing a system that we JUST changed you are making the price of jutsu go up for a majority of our members when EXP is already somewhat challenging to earn.

Aside from that there are certain clans that don't rely so heavily on jutsu rather than an intrinsic characteristic of the clan and also for those that DO rely on the jutsus of the clan, there are limited amounts. Meaning that once a clan member mastered these jutsu he'd easily get out paced by non clan members. I would say that this wouldn't balance things but rather make things even more unbalanced but just in favor of the clanless.

My own idea was simply to give Clanless more slots for jutsu at higher levels. Meaning at creation a C rank ninja doesn't need to progress to exp. C rank to get a B rank slot. If that ninja is clanless they can learn a B rank jutsu right off the bat. And this slot keeps climbing. When they get to exp. C rank they can now have two B rank jutsus and so on and so forth. Meaning at Chuunin they already have an A rank in their arsenal.

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

TOPKite wrote:

NuclearTreerat wrote:: All this and no one hit on a simple solution? If someone from a clan is learning techniques outside of their clan's list, double the experience cost to learn the technique while techniques from their clan list cost half as much xp. I would liken it to learning a language you had no exposure too; it takes much more effort because you have to not only learn new things but to stop thinking in a familiar pattern.

Unlike adding extra SC slots or "third" specializations something like this won't screw up the existing balance of power. It does however provide a pretty hefty advantage to non-clan people since they can learn more and stronger techniques faster than a counterpart in a clan.

I'm sorry but that is just not a good idea in the slightest.

Age : 29 Posts : 1797

Really Cool Guy wrote:: My own idea was simply to give Clanless more slots for jutsu at higher levels. Meaning at creation a C rank ninja doesn't need to progress to exp. C rank to get a B rank slot. If that ninja is clanless they can learn a B rank jutsu right off the bat. And this slot keeps climbing. When they get to exp. C rank they can now have two B rank jutsus and so on and so forth. Meaning at Chuunin they already have an A rank in their arsenal.

I kinda like this idea. Now back to my vacation

Age : 27 Posts : 106

I can't say I'm a big fan of access to higher ranked techs. I think there is a level of experience that is usually associated with the use of such techniques, and I don't think it properly represents more training in fundamental areas.
I'd be more disposition towards something along the lines of using their specialities to give them a small boost of a sort, so that in the same way a Clan is..kinda..customisable..so is this. That made no sense..at all The Benefit of Clanless - Page 2 287405

Anyway, so their specs would confer a slight bonus. Nin Users might get a bit more chakra for use, Tai's move a tad bit faster or are stronger? Nothing more then a 5% bonus either way.
Med's would have a chakra reduction due to higher control. Weap's....maybe they are slightly more skilled with their chosen weapon in hand, and deal more damage? Again, I wouldn't think of any more then 5%.
Puppetry would be reaction time I think...Fuinjutsu....I don't know.

Subject: Re: The Benefit of Clanless Tue 26 Jun 2012, 8:19 pm

The Stance of Clanless.

Obviously, the topic of Clanless Characters is a touchy one for many people. Now, I am coming at this from the perspective of a member, as well as a staffer with what I am about to saying over this topic.

So, to begin with:

I've always had Clanless characters minus the recent creation of Persy [mind you, she could technically not count as an Uchiha as she does not have the eyes]. The choice to go clanless is never an easy one to make, as people have stated that they are already starting below those that have gone in the opposite direction. However, I disagree with this point entirely. What makes you weaker than a clansmen? You all have the same potential as a writer, and you all begin with E - C Rank techniques for those that begin as a genin. So what if they have a "specific characteristic"? They still only get 15 jutsu to choose from. As a writer, you are supposed to strengthen yourself and your character through creativity. Easily enough, you are capable of making jutsu that can counteract almost any sort of Clan jutsu there is available. The whole point of going Clanless is exactly for that freedom.

Why should you be rewarded for not being apart of a Clan?

Clanned shinobi are limited in their endeavors, like Eric, Darius and Uros have stated. Clanless have the ability to be a Jinchuuriki and they also have access to Curse seals. Let's not forget, the transferring of Kekkei Genkai by eye transplants. Every Clanless has these options if they feel like they have been 'slighted' for not having a Clanned Character.

I have never been pro-clan. I have always been clanless as a shinobi. Not once have I felt at a disadvantage when it came to opposing forces, and I still don't feel that way now as a blind shinobi. Role-playing is all about taking what you have available to you, and making it work. You all have so many options that I feel like those that are attempting to find more, are so unnecessary. I appreciate everyone's feedback in topics like these, but in this case, from the Standpoint of a Pro-Clanless, and as an Administrator, I do not feel that clanless characters are at a disadvantage and I will continue treating this topic with that same regard.

Age : 29 Posts : 341

i like chris idea, maybe not directly get a battle oriented SC like increased strenght or speed, but intead something minor which gives us other advantages, like seing even through it's dark (blind sc) or having more money than other peps, allowing us to have more weapons than the clan guys, even through that is kinda bullshit since they come from a great clan and we are pitiful civilians.

And just saying this:
"NOT ALL OF US CHOOSE TO BE CLANLESS, ME FOR EXAMPLE >REALLY< WANTS A CLAN, but all your existing clans don't fit me at all or plainly are..... not what i want. And since all clans i wanted to make were neglected and took hell lot of my time (creating, waiting for approval and such) i felt EXTREMELY frustrated about making a clan. And after the great and awesome Weapon Master Clan (still hate you all for it The Benefit of Clanless - Page 2 287405

) wasn't approved i said FUCK IT, i may be no good RPer but i dun wanna waiste my whole life time trying to become individual, so well.... i didn't want to wait for years until someone could fnally make a clan worth joining, so i had to go clanless.... up till now i didn#t really got problem fighting against peps, but damn, now we are all genin and are strong as shit, i can't imagine how horrible it will be fighting a Uchiha at S-rank, that guy will genjutsu my ass away, or fighting a senju who will make friking forests grow from below my arse.....
And so... I had no way to make my char individual or anything, he is in no way greater stronger or better than any other char on this site, the only thing making him different is my freaking brain squeezing those strange fuuinjutsu out of it. But if i were to have a third element or speciality i can tell you one thing, I WOULD FREAKING MAKE EVEN STRONGER AND AWESOMER JUTSUS, it's not like clans make us ultra strong, more like ultra flexible in how to react to different situations. Guys attacking you with fire? use water. Now hes using lightning? Use earth. Now hes using a summoning? use mud to make it unable to move, and so on. If i could get a third element such as 'cloud'(ur smth like that) for example i swear to good, I would so freaking fucking make unbelievable awesome jutsus with it... but now i am struck with wind and earth, the only proper elements of whats currently existing and trying to mimic ninjutsu.

And man i am just saying, if i were to have a new sc, i would either take blind SC or a third element, those as well take away the clan aadvantage a bit...

Age : 34 Posts : 1209

xCross wrote:: NOT ALL OF US CHOOSE TO BE CLANLESS, ME FOR EXAMPLE >REALLY< WANTS A CLAN,

Your post is hard to read but I managed to get through it and this is the line that I kept coming back to. You want to be part of a clan? I said earlier in this conversation that you can join one at any time after creation. Go work on your weapons clan to make it acceptable and you can have your clan. We aren't going to give you compensation for you not being in a clan. Read through this entire thread if you haven't and if you have go read Becky's post as I believe it pretty much sums up everything that needs to be said on the issue.

Age : 27 Posts : 106

Hmm, Persy has got me convinced, we're good.
Well, per say the Bijuu are fairly selective in the benefits in the same way Clans are. As it really takes a Ninjutsu User to properly enjoy those bonuses. Similarly there is no Clan based around the use of Tai and/or Weaponry.
Then again there might be, but my personal aim I'm pushing for here doesn't really involve Clans.
If they are released, Curse Seals would be useful for those who have selectively specialised in the physical arts. Well, I think she[Persy] implied it has already been released, but I haven't found a system for it nor have I seen any Character Applications with such a ability.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Becky was right on the ball. <3

Age : 29 Posts : 341

uhm, i just have one question to this topic, concerning being in a clan or not.
Why is it, that only people in clans have super special abilities? I mean some guy must have started it all and be born with some kind of special feature or anything, why isn't there a possibility for a clanless guy to, for example, create a new technique which is similar to a clan.
I mean the aburame for example got the idea to fed insects with their chakra and order them around, kibas clan had the idea to train with dogs. Why isn't there a possibility for a clanless guy to invent SPECIAL jutsus, something like telekinesis, or for controling weight, or jsut whatever people may come up with. Something similar to a clan, but no clan >> get what i am trying to say?

me for example would freaking love my charakter to find out a technique about chakra molding >> allowing chakra to take on specific forms, like weapons, or stuff...

i am sorry for me being so extremely bad at explaining stuff, but if anyone gets what i am trying to ask here, please answer me :3