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PostSubject: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyMon 10 Sep 2012, 3:55 pm

Clan Name: Takahane Clan

Location: Head Quarters are in Kumogakure, but they have a sub branch in Konohagakure and Sunagakure.

Signature Traits:

Physical Characteristics:

The average Takahane Clan member has dark hair, brown eyes, and white to pale skin. They tend to be thin and wiry with muscles that focus more on granting speed than strength. They also tend to have greater dexterity than the average shinobi making them more apt at using close distance weaponry such as swords, nunchuku, and bo-staff; as well as long distance weapons such as senbon.

Mental Characteristics:

Takahane Clan members tend to be highly intelligent and great strategists. Mental Disorders are rare, but typically include some form schizophrenia or conversion disorder.

Traditions:

The Takahane family religion is based on Bushido, the Way of the Warrior, and follows a set of principles and virtues which members of the family try to uphold. These virtues and principles are as followed;

- Righteousness

"One must do what is right for the sake of doing right. Not because it is their duty, but because it is the right thing to do."

Righteousness is right action, doing right by others, being charitable and generous are two examples of Righteousness.


- Humility

"One must not think themselves superior. One must treat those who are higher and lower in rank with equal respect, and equal kindness."

Humility is having a low ego, and treating all people equally.

- Respect

"One must treat all people with respect, courtesy, and kindness. Including oneself. Do not do harm to others or yourself when harm can be avoided. One must be worthy of the respect of others, and one must bring honor to their clan."

Respect according to Takahane customs is about being fair, kind, and just. However one must also treat themselves with respect, which is to say Takahane custom is to be clean, organized, and to obstain from drinking, smoking, and other illicit activities. Also, this is LESS about respecting others and MORE about being worthy of other's respect. This means that a Takahane Clan member will work hard, and abstain from dishonorable activities.

- Integrity

"One must remain truthful, and honor their word."

Integrity is being honest, and keeping ones promises. It should be noted, that it's a known fact that Shinobi must lie at times. However, according to Takahane customs, one can omit the truth if a promise was made to do so.

- Perseverance

"One must finish what they start, and not halt in their quest to reach their goals."

Perseverance is a never quit attitude that all Takahane clansmen adopt. They're dedication to their jobs, goals, mission, and country is unparalleled.

- Loyalty

"One must honor their allegiances, and remain loyal to their country."

'nough said.

- Wisdom

"One must learn from the mistakes of their ancestors. One must remain diligent in their quest for knowledge, and must use there knowledge honorably. One must remain open to new ideas, for change is the catalyst which we use to better ourselves. We must not become stagnant, we must continue to better ourselves."

Wisdom isn't book smarts, but the concept of openmindedness. Being open to new ideas, learning from others, bettering oneself, etc. It's said that a wise man knows that he knows nothing. Therefore he is the most willing to learn.

Clan Crest:

The clan crest is a horizontal Yin-Yang with a blue or white top, and a red or brown bottom. The top represents heaven or the sky, the bottom represents the earth or man. The center represents the inter-connectiveness between the two. This crest is on many of the clan's clothing and distinguishes them from the rest of their peers.


Kekkei Genkai:

-Force Manipulation-

The Takahane Clan allows the user to create a form of Kinetic Energy which is a combination of Lightning and Wind Chakra. They believe this energy is the primordial Chakra, it courses through all things, surrounds them, penetrates them, and when they learn to harness it they can manipulate that energy to great effect. Typically this energy is used to move objects, smaller objects can be moved with less effort than larger objects. The physical strength of a person has nothing to do with what they can accomplish when using the Force, rather the mental will-power and fortitude. Masters of the Force have been reported to physically move entire mountains, whether this is heresay or fact is certainly debatable, but the versatility and power of the Force cannot be questioned. Many specialties can be benefited from using the force, but to what extent is unknown.

Force Energy is exactly that, pure kinetic force. I.E. it exerts a physical force such as a push, pull, lift, etc. on an object. It is ineffective on humans, because of their natural affinity with Chakra which interferes with the effects of Force Energy and renders many techniques using it inert. It bares repeating, this IS NOT gravity manipulation, but manipulating and creating a form of PHYSICAL force.

This Kekkei Genkai is believed to originate from the Taka Clan, a family of Giant Hawks that live in the Wind Country.

History:

The Takahane Clan can be traced back to the origins of Kaminari no Kuni. A wandering warrior named Ten Hokosha from the region was forced out by the nations founder, and told that in order to live there he'd have to prove his worth. Ten loved the region so much that he decided to go on a journey to prove his worth. He travelled all over the world, and developed a brand new Jutsu which he dubbed the 'Lightning Saber' a blade of pure power capable of cutting through any known material at the time, he could even cut through mountain sides. Seeing this from their home in Kaze no Kuni, the Taka Bird Clan summoned Ten. Being so impressed with his prowess with his Lightning Saber, the elder of the Taka Clan decided to teach Ten the Taka secret technique, Force Manipulation. Ten became such a master that the Elder changed his name to Ten Takahane in honor of his power, they also agreed to ally themselves with Ten, in return Ten would send his eldest son to the Taka Clan for tutelage in the use of the force. Ten agreed to this, and when he returned to Kaminari no Kuni, he showed the founder the true power of the force, reportedly lifting an entire mountain (probable just a portion of a mountain), and hurled it at the Founder who using his immense strength punched through it only to be met with Ten's Lightning Saber which knicked his chest and seared his body. Having shown his worth to the Founder, Ten was allowed to stay in Kumogakure and he was given residence close to the Founder's headquarters.

When Ten got married, he and his wife had two boys, twins. Not wanting to favor one over the other, he decided not to obey his contract to the birds, and to teach his sons himself. Over the years Ten's contract has been seen as a myth, and the tradition was made that the founder (the eldest son of the previous leader) would teach his eldest sons the families most secret techniques. However many of the techniques were lost, either out of lack of interest in the technique, or being too advanced to teach a founder who was too dull to learn those techniques, until now they're left with only the most basic of force Technique. Family Jutsu has been supplemented into the traditional Force Manipulation techniques. However now the current Patriarch of the Takahane clan wants to go back to his roots, and has decided to send his only son Takahane Jinzoku to the Taka bird clan to honor his families contract and hopefully renew the power of the Takahane Clan.

Clan Jutsu:

Name: Force Push
Rank: D-S
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Close (0m - 5m), Medium (5m - 10m), Long (10m+)
Element: Force
Description: This Jutsu creates a physical force which is pushed out in a conical blast, that starts at the users hand and travels outward. Heavier object require more force than lighter objects, the more force used the further the force travels. At C rank a user could push something weighing less than 25 lbs up to 5m, and the force would travel 5m before dissipating. At S rank a user could push something weighing upwards of 10 tonnes a distance of 5m, and the force would travel up to 25m. Lighter Objects require less force, thus if an S rank Push was used on a 25 lbs. object that object would travel at a substantial speed for a substantial distance, with certainly lethal effect on impact.

Also, it should be noted that this technique is ineffective against living beings, due to the interference of their chakra.
Chakra Cost:D- 3 (1 kg - 1m)
C- 6 (10 kg - 3m)
B- 12 (100 kg - 6m)
A- 24 (1000 kg - 9m)
S- 36 (5,000 kg - 12m)

Name: Force Pull
Rank: D-S
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Close (0m - 5m), Medium (5m - 10m), Long (10m+)
Element: Force
Description: This Jutsu Creates a physical force which is pulled towards the object from a specified distance away. The effect is the opposite of pull, with an object being pulled towards the user rather than pushed away. The force can be angled so that it pulls the object to a specified side (left, right, up, or down), that object is than pulled at a 45 degree angle in that direction. Heavier Objects require more effort to pull than lighter objects, Pulling requires slightly more effort than Pushing. Similar to Pushing, this technique is ineffective against living beings.
Chakra Cost:
D- 4 (1 kg - 1m)
C- 7 (10 kg - 3m)
B- 14 (100 kg - 6m)
A- 28 (1000 kg - 9m)
S- 36 (3000 kg - 12 m)

Name: Force Lift
Rank: C - S
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Close (0m - 5m), Medium (5m - 10m), Long (10m+)
Element: Force
Description: This Jutsu creates a physical force which is used to lift an object off the ground and move it around. Heavier objects require more force than lighter objects, similar to Push and Pull this effects people differently than objects. This technique is ineffective against living beings. At S rank, one can move a 3000 kg object up to 12 m high, and at a velocity of 15 kph. At that same rank a 1 kg item can be moved much higher and faster (the force it requires to move that object is far less), it can be moved up to 24 m high and at a velocity of 55 kph. Every rank below the chakra used for the technique adds 3m to height, and 10 kph to velocity.

The elevation which the object can be lifted is relative to it's starting location NOT the user of this technique. In other words, one could use this for levitation, but there would be some stipulations.

The first would be that one would need a MINIMUM of a B-rank amount of chakra as your adding your mass to the object your lifting.

The second would be that you can only levitate to the maximum elevation allowed, NO higher. In other words if you were using a B-rank of chakra to float on a plank of wood you'd be allowed to move up to 6m from the ground, and at a speed of 15 kph.
Chakra Cost:
D- 4 + 1/turn (1kg - 1m)
C- 8 + 2/turn (10 kg - 3m)
B- 15 + 4/turn (100 kg - 6m)
A- 25 + 6/turn (1000 kg - 9m)
S- 38 + 10/turn (3000 kg - 12m)

Name: Lightning Saber
Rank: B-S
Type: Ninjutsu - Weaponry
Range: Close (0m - 5m)
Element: Raiton
Requirements Takahane Blade
Description: This Jutsu creates a blade of concentrated Raiton energy concentrated at the point of any of the Takahane Blade weapons. The blade itself is about 3 feet long, and can be Blue, Green, Purple, Yellow, and in very rare cases Red. At B-Rank the Lightning Saber is capable of causing minor burns and cuts the same as a normal sword. An A-rank Lightning Saber can cut through wood and melt stone (slowly). A S-Rank Lightning Saber is capable of cutting through most materials, and melting through thick metal (slowly). Because of how compact the lightning blade is, it IS possible to block this blade with another blade.
Chakra Cost:
B- 12 (4/turn)
A- 24 (6/turn)
S- 36 (8/turn)


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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyMon 10 Sep 2012, 10:08 pm

Denied. This is gravity manipulation among others such as telepathy. 'Push' is basically any powerful wind ninjutsu; 'pull' can be considered god modding since you force the target toward a certain direction against their will; 'lift' is gravity manipulation as well as god modding as again you're forcing the character to do something. Those three techniques are auto-denied. Also; you state that the element is 'force', when you don't even describe the A.) Elemental combination for it in the Kekkei Genkai section, and B.) don't describe the uniqueness of this force.

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Lightning Saber
Don't understand why this is a clan-only technique. Anyone could theoretically do that with their chakra. This would also be considered a 'only weaponry' technique, as it requires coating the blade in chakra; which is a weaponry only ability. Let's also remember you'd need to be B-rank to coat stuff in chakra to begin with. Finally; the power and energy of the energy blade is way too powerful. Minor burns should be C-rank, Stone cutting should be B-rank and harming metals would be A-rank. The technique is also ethereal, and thus passes through matter (it is energy after all). Thus, you could cut someone without them being to defend themselves through any means such as blocking. This is a rather overpowered ability on its own. Finally: being able to 'cut' jutsu is a definite no. It's not even explained why it can cut jutsu. As for absorbing Raiton, this would be rather cheating; as it makes your character completely immune to a single element for no explainable purpose. On a footnote; your B-rank chakra supply is a little short. It would have to be 4/post.

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Takahane Mind Trick
This is way too powerful for a C-rank Genjutsu (would be closer to A or S-rank if anything) and is borderline god modding. You're telling the person how to RP their character, by making them act on commands given to them by your character. It's basically character manipulation. I think you're also confusing what genjutsu really does. It fools one into believing something through some explained means. Your Genjutsu just makes them believe it for no reason. Whole point of deception is to trick. There is also no way for someone to know that it is a deception; a genjutsu, because you're forcing the character into thinking a certain way. Basically, it's god mod. Not Genjutsu, sorry but denied as well.

Overall, it seems like you were trying to bring Star Wars into Naruto. Sorry but the two universes are infinitely different from one another, and such a parallel would need a lot more describing and detail.
Denied.
You have 24 hours to make a counter argument before this clan is archived.
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyTue 11 Sep 2012, 4:50 am

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Denied. This is gravity manipulation among others such as telepathy. 'Push' is basically any powerful wind ninjutsu; 'pull' can be considered god modding since you force the target toward a certain direction against their will; 'lift' is gravity manipulation as well as god modding as again you're forcing the character to do something. Those three techniques are auto-denied. Also; you state that the element is 'force', when you don't even describe the A.) Elemental combination for it in the Kekkei Genkai section, and B.) don't describe the uniqueness of this force.


Took out ALL mentionings of Genjutsu. Now the kekkei genkai is the ability to create a form of Kinetic Force by combining Wind and Lightning. It can exert a physical force on an object which is used to push, pull, and lift objects NOT PEOPLE. I explained that the chakra within a person and their affinity with that chakra interferes with the energy and renders it inert and that the Mental Force has been lost to history (they won't be learning that unless someone joins my clan and can make it legit.)

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Don't understand why this is a clan-only technique. Anyone could theoretically do that with their chakra. This would also be considered a 'only weaponry' technique, as it requires coating the blade in chakra; which is a weaponry only ability. Let's also remember you'd need to be B-rank to coat stuff in chakra to begin with. Finally; the power and energy of the energy blade is way too powerful. Minor burns should be C-rank, Stone cutting should be B-rank and harming metals would be A-rank. The technique is also ethereal, and thus passes through matter (it is energy after all). Thus, you could cut someone without them being to defend themselves through any means such as blocking. This is a rather overpowered ability on its own. Finally: being able to 'cut' jutsu is a definite no. It's not even explained why it can cut jutsu. As for absorbing Raiton, this would be rather cheating; as it makes your character completely immune to a single element for no explainable purpose. On a footnote; your B-rank chakra supply is a little short. It would have to be 4/post.

The Lightning Saber no longer cut through Jutsu, absorb Raiton, etc. It's just a normal blade made of Lightning. I'm sure anyone could create a replica of this technique, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it, but it's special in that it's a physical sword (I.E. it can be blocked by other normal weapons and such.) The reason why I want this specific jutsu to be a clan-jutsu is because I have jutsu that I plan on making that branch off from this jutsu.


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This is way too powerful for a C-rank Genjutsu (would be closer to A or S-rank if anything) and is borderline god modding. You're telling the person how to RP their character, by making them act on commands given to them by your character. It's basically character manipulation. I think you're also confusing what genjutsu really does. It fools one into believing something through some explained means. Your Genjutsu just makes them believe it for no reason. Whole point of deception is to trick. There is also no way for someone to know that it is a deception; a genjutsu, because you're forcing the character into thinking a certain way. Basically, it's god mod. Not Genjutsu, sorry but denied as well.

This has been completely removed.

I am in fact using Star Wars' Force as my Kekkei Genkai, and the light sabers. But that's as far as the similarities go. I'm not going to have a Jedi Council, nor will I be making Jinzoku into a Sith Lord (though that would be pretty epic if I may say so myself). There's no Corosant, no Tatoine, no Han Solo, no Princess Leah, etc.

As far as I can tell, I've answered all concerns. If you have any other questions or concerns about my clan, would it be ok to discuss them over Skype. I'd like to do everything I can to make this acceptable before you go and deny it.

[rant]Also I'd appreciate it, should you review any of my applications in the future, that you give me a chance to fix my mistakes before you make the decision to deny my application. I found it rude that your FIRST course of action was to deny this application, rather than telling me what needed to be fixed/omitted, and giving me a chance to do so. I'm sure you didn't mean any disrespect, and I'm not taking this personally, nor should I. However, for future reference, I'm an easy going dude, and I've always been more than cooperative with every reasonable moderator that I've had the pleasure to deal with. So if you find that I've made a mistake, let me know and I'll do what I can to fix it. ^_^[/rant]
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyWed 12 Sep 2012, 1:19 am

Before I begin to dissect the clan again, I do wish to mention that I don't often deny a clan. Rather, I usually work it out with the member. However, the way your clan was presented was a gravity manipulation clan, which is actually a tabooed ability on most RP forums. For that reason it was auto-denied. However, I will review the clan without this factor, as your gravity manipulating techniques cannot all be performed at once.

Okay first, I suggest adding more to the signature traits; as this area is greatly lacking. Signature traits are basically things that all clan members share in common. Whether it be traditions, intelligence, hair color, muscular build, height, etc. Prime examples are the Uchiha's militancy and their naturally dark hair colors, or Hyuuga's branch system and their naturally white eyes (Among other features like dark hair and their special clothing/fighting style). Though it's not absolutely necessary, it helps make the clan look nicer and more unique.

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However, it should be noted that many
Um.. You never actually finished this sentence.. Do you wish to add more to the Kekkei Genkai?

Now, for the three Force jutsu. Their abilities seem very exaggerated. First of all, your units are off. 1 tonne is 1,000kg; not 2,000lbs (It's actually closer to 2,200lbs). Please fix it so that it says kilograms and not pounds. After all, it's the global unit of measurement. It helps those non-Americans out with general ideas of mass. Metric is also preferred on this site. Now as for the actual jutsu: I'd like it if your Push was the same as your pull. In that, they're both capped at 5 tonnes. You have to remember things such as cars don't exist in Naruto. Finding something more than 5 tonnes is going to be difficult, unless you find a boulder the size of a house. Thus moving 5 tonnes is more than plenty for an S-rank technique; especially since I cannot imagine someone flinging around that much mass with such ease.

There is one other thing about these jutsu that I don't understand. How do the heavier objects move faster? It requires far more force to push something weighing 1T than it does to push something weighing 25kg. How come the object with more mass travels farther? You have to remember that Earth has gravitational and static forces. I suggest adjusting the distances to remain within 15m at most. 30m is a very long distance. Most fights take place within 10m. You'll rarely find yourself having to push something that far, and even then it's still unrealistic to be able to push a boulder farther than a pencil.

One last thing I have an issue with. It's your "lift" technique. This is gravity manipulation at its finest. First of all, shouldn't you be lifting a lot less than you can push and pull? After all, the gravitational pull of the Earth is much greater than any static force that keeps an object from being dragged. Pushing against the Earth's gravity is a lot harder than pushing along it. Secondly, this can be abused to incredible proportions. You state in the jutsu itself that one can simply lift the object and move it around. Why would someone use "Push" instead of this? It's the same chakra cost, except it gives you more versatility. Whether it be defense or offense. Third: You can lift the object upwards of 30m, that's incredibly high. That's a several story building. That's higher than most members that have some flying technique are able to go. I suggest lowering it to 20m at the most. Even then, that seems excessive. Finally there's the issue of levitation. This is where I see it being abused the most. One could just stand on top of a wooden plank; and at B-rank levitate this plank AND the character up and about. Best of all, since the range of the technique coincides with the location of the character, and since the character is always on top of the plank. You can both levitate yourself upwards infinitely, and move yourself around at undefined speeds way above other's reach. It's almost as versatile as the Shichibi's passive ability, and costs almost as little chakra wise. My main issue lies with this one lifting technique, because in my eyes, it's defying gravity to extents that are considered over powered.

I don't really see anything else wrong with this clan.

That is all for now.
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyWed 12 Sep 2012, 8:20 pm

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There is one other thing about these jutsu that I don't understand. How do the heavier objects move faster?

I believe you misread the Jutsu.

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Lighter Objects require less force, thus if an S rank Push was used on a 25 lbs. object that object would travel at a substantial speed for a substantial distance, with lethal effect on impact.

The example given is the MOST powerful push used against a light object. At that same rank, as it's currently written, a 10 ton object would move 5m, and at a significantly lower velocity.




I may add a few more clauses to the Kekkei Genkai, but I believe that is the remnants of the old Genjutsu Clause.

I'll cap S-rank force techniques at 3-5 tonnes.

Also the way I was seeing it Lift is not based on the users location but the object's location. So no mater how close the object is he wouldn't be able to lift that object above a certain height (force is a physical force, and thus requires a constant push of energy to remain even, therefore it would reach a point where the chakra used to lift the object would equal the force of gravity pulling down on it, creating a balance between the two and resulting in a capped height). Also by standing on that plank of wood he'd be adding his weight onto it, meaning that at the bare minimum he'd need a B rank to levitate this way. And he'd only be able to float at most 8m above the ground.

Would that be acceptable at that rank? Either way I'll alter that jutsu based on your answer, and I'll add a max speed the object can move as well. ^^

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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyThu 13 Sep 2012, 2:54 am

Tsukare wrote:
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There is one other thing about these jutsu that I don't understand. How do the heavier objects move faster?

I believe you misread the Jutsu.

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Lighter Objects require less force, thus if an S rank Push was used on a 25 lbs. object that object would travel at a substantial speed for a substantial distance, with lethal effect on impact.

The example given is the MOST powerful push used against a light object. At that same rank, as it's currently written, a 10 ton object would move 5m, and at a significantly lower velocity.
I think I meant farther, but either way I understand now. I was assuming you moved the object of severe mass that far.

Tsukare wrote:
Also the way I was seeing it Lift is not based on the users location but the object's location. So no mater how close the object is he wouldn't be able to lift that object above a certain height (force is a physical force, and thus requires a constant push of energy to remain even, therefore it would reach a point where the chakra used to lift the object would equal the force of gravity pulling down on it, creating a balance between the two and resulting in a capped height). Also by standing on that plank of wood he'd be adding his weight onto it, meaning that at the bare minimum he'd need a B rank to levitate this way. And he'd only be able to float at most 8m above the ground.
While your science is correct, what you're saying is kind of contradictory. The force wouldn't slow as it neared a certain height. Gravity is a constant; it's constantly pushing down at 9.8m/s. In fact, the farther from Earth you get, the lighter this gravitational force is (but only by a fraction of a unit). Either way, logically speaking, you'd be able to lift the object up an indefinite distance, because you're pushing up at Xm/s; while gravity is pushing down at Ym/s. You'd never reach a leveling point, because neither one is losing acceleration; nor is the other gaining it. The reason I figured you'd have to stop at a certain point, was because eventually your reach would become too far. Eventually it'd just get so far that sustaining it became a hassle and consumed more chakra to maintain; which was outside the limits of the jutsu. If however, you're standing on this object, the object is at your feet. You're not longer limited by general distance. As such, you could levitate yourself an infinite distance from the ground. --I hope this makes sense.

Onto the "You have to be B-rank" ideal, yes, I knew that. I even mentioned it in my post. But for a measly cost you could fly very high. Though I have noticed that you reduce the distance for all of the techniques, so I can't really complain too much anymore (besides the logic issue I stated above). Only thing I'd like to see is a set movement speed set. Oh, and you still haven't addressed the need for force push. It's basically a weaker version of force lift. Unless of course you add speeds to these techniques, in which case all will be fixed. If you wish to discuss this with me on skype, simply add me: 'demonoreo'
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyThu 13 Sep 2012, 4:08 am

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Eventually it'd just get so far that sustaining it became a hassle and consumed more chakra to maintain

Exactly. ^_^ My point is that it requires a certain amount of force to press an object upwards, with more force required to reach greater heights, with height being relative to the object and not the user. Science science science, blah blah blah. Point is I'm gonna add a speed limit.

Basically Force Push is going to have much more velocity than force lift. While you can move things with Lift, you do so slowly (taking the flying example, you'd be moving about as fast as the average person could jog, which I imagine is just around 15 kph (9-10 mph) so not that fast at all. However that's at B-rank, of course higher levels of Lift would allow greater velocities, but probably no greater than around 65 kmh (40 mph). Push on the other hand gives greater velocity especially at when used against lighter objects.
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyFri 14 Sep 2012, 4:19 pm

Tsukare wrote:
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Eventually it'd just get so far that sustaining it became a hassle and consumed more chakra to maintain

Exactly. ^_^ My point is that it requires a certain amount of force to press an object upwards, with more force required to reach greater heights, with height being relative to the object and not the user. Science science science, blah blah blah. Point is I'm gonna add a speed limit.
I believe we're confusing each other here. My quote was meant for levitating the object from the ground. Realistically, you could only levitate it 20m or so from the ground, because it's farther away from your character. However, if your character is right on top of it, the limit ceases to exist. The higher you go, the lower the air density is and the weaker the gravity. Therefore you can push it up faster and farther. That was my main problem with the technique.

Tsukare wrote:
Basically Force Push is going to have much more velocity than force lift. While you can move things with Lift, you do so slowly (taking the flying example, you'd be moving about as fast as the average person could jog, which I imagine is just around 15 kph (9-10 mph) so not that fast at all. However that's at B-rank, of course higher levels of Lift would allow greater velocities, but probably no greater than around 65 kmh (40 mph). Push on the other hand gives greater velocity especially at when used against lighter objects.
Fair enough.

The levitation bit is the only thing that bothers me.
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyTue 18 Sep 2012, 4:25 pm

Added a clause about levitation, and the clause about the elevation of the object being relative to it's starting location. I hope that works. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyFri 21 Sep 2012, 1:13 am

Sorry for the delay. Everything looks good now! Thanks for editing appropriately.

[1/2] Approved!
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PostSubject: Re: Takahane Clan Takahane Clan EmptyFri 21 Sep 2012, 6:38 pm

Very good stuff. I feel like I'm stealing Enzo's thunder by being the one to Approve this, but he has done a great job and there is nothing left to say.

So well done (both of you Smile ) & Approved 2/2
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Archived. I Can\'t Look
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