Double Chakra Drain

Age : 34 Posts : 590

so I was looking at the chakra drain and I see you use one hand to drain your opponent but what I was wondering is since I have one handed seals can I do it with my free hand and double the drain?

Age : 28 Posts : 266

I'm not staff, but I will give you my opinion:

No.

Hand seals help a shinobi manipulate the precise amount of chakra so they can use a jutsu. They're used to also facilitate proper chakra control and just make it easier to do a technique. This is why more skilled shinobi can use less handseals (such as the 2nd Hokage in the canon Naruto). The 2nd Hokage could use just one handseal to use the Water Dragon Bullet Technique, which normally requires 44. Hand seals are extremely important. Being able to use one handed seals is a rare skill, but doesn't make you any "better" at using your chakra, per say - you just free up a hand. One handed seals are different in appearance but have the same importance as regular hand seals.

You use the hand seal to help you perform the skill. So with the chakra absorption technique you may initiate hand seals - whether with one hand or both - to mold your chakra properly to begin initiation. You then make contact with one hand, allowing you to drain the chakra. When you use the hand seals, it doesn't matter how many hands you use, you only start the technique. You don't hold the handseal or anything so once you're done, one hand will glow and you can absorb chakra.

Again, I'm not a staff member but that's just my interpretation of how it would go. Doubling the drain seems way too overpowered to me. ^^ I hope this has helped.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Wrong Setsu.

One handed seals allow you to use a technique using one hand. Since the chakra absorbing technique only requires one hand in the first place, then by that logic, you can use it twice should you have the one handed seals SC. In the past, I've used two techniques at the same time, via this SC and since it was fine then, I wouldn't think it would have changed.

And don't worry Setsu. I would happily bet my money on your future staff ship.

Age : 28 Posts : 266

Quote :: I'm not staff, but I will give you my opinion:

^^ Kinda hard for someone's opinion to be wrong, no? I re-iterate; I'm not a staff member but that's just my interpretation of how it'll go. Thank you.

Moving forward...

If you would be capable of doing that, then it'd be a significant cost of chakra. Doubling the drain is equal to a B-rank amount (assuming you use the technique at C rank in the beginning) which drops you down 10 CP right away. Not to mention one must have at least 10 CP left, so that's a good amount of your initial CP only by using it w/ both hands at C rank. There's also the fact that you must initiate contact long enough for the drain to commence so I think it'd be kinda weird clutching onto your opponent's body for so long and leaves you slightly susceptible from any other attack doing that (but maybe I'm just over analyzing).

If anything, good luck with this. 8D

Age : 32 Posts : 869

The problem I see with this is that he would be basically using the equivalent of a B ranked Chakra Drain jutsu while using the two C ranked Drain Chakra at the same time. So let's say we let him have it this one, than every genin who has the One Handed Hand Seals will be able to "exploit" this with using this C ranked jutsu at the same time and turning it into a B rank while still technically staying a C rank. So if one would ask me, I would not allow it.

But since we are at the topic of using two jutsus at the same time, I'd also deny it because if you think about it, using two different jutsus takes a hell of a lot of concentration which a genin simply cannot achieve. I would allow it for a Jounin, maybe a chunnin, but they can only use two jutsus at the same time if the jutsus are a rank below them. So for a chunnin it would be C and for a Jounin it would be B.

And as for the SC One Handed Hand Seals, it only allows you to make hand seals with one hand while the other one can be used to wield weapons. Never does it say that with it you can use a second jutsu at the same time.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

As someone who had the SC, I'll put my 2 cents in and side with the majority here for the same reason. Using two hands in that manner effectively increases the rank of the technique from C to B (and B to A, etc) in complete defiance of all the rules limiting which ranks of jutsu and how many any one character (or summon) can have. Especially since, as turtle-boy pointed out, according to what information is available and forms the basis for the sites rules there is quite a bit more to executing a jutsu than just the handseals.

Sorry Chris, but you really are off the mark. What you are talking about is using TWO jutsu at once, and what Yoru is talking about is doubling the effect of ONE jutsu by using two hands. Completely different things. And just because you got away with simultaneously using two jutsu in the past doesn't mean its okay. I just went though that sort of precedence issue with the staff about a summon's technique and the ruling was very clear against it. Like in sports, if the referee aren't aware of the foul they won't make a call because to them it doesn't exist. Even if it was brought up, the current staff could think that such an ability is simply too much or warrants its own SC. Heck I believe it was you who followed a post I made about getting consistency in staff decisions with a response to the effect that new staff aren't required to follow the prior ones decisions or even the rules if they were made before they became staff. If that holds true then why shouldn't the staff be able to change rules and their interpretations to fit the existing consensus?

Besides, the One Hand Seals SC is already a very useful ability when you take into account the accepted advantages. Being able to use one hand to attack to limit an opponents options while the other performs (potentially hidden) techniques. If Yoru wanted to he could execute the chakra-drain technique using one hand then follow it up immediately with an identical one using just the other hand for the desired effect in a single, but that is still 2 separate attacks. Two separate attacks that adhere to the current rules regarding jutsu limits based on character rank.

Though I two would like to see the staff pipe up with a final decision. Until that happens this is all supposition and guesswork.

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Oh I did misunderstand. And saying at the same time is an exaggeration. What I was doing in my topic, was basically casting one technique after another; as soon as one's seals were done, I would cast it, then having finished the seals of another, I would cast the second. It was basically a very quick succession and the jutsu I used didn't have an upkeep. My char was a Jounin with Chakra Control so it was more... believable too.

P.S Really sorry if I came off as a douche bag Setsu D: I genuinely think you will/deserve to become staff eventually ^_^

Age : 29 Posts : 1797

One handed seals never allowed anyone to use two jutsu at once. You cannot under any circumstance use two jutsu at once. It's like trying to read two books simultaneously. Even with some super duper SC and high knowledge; even the smartest brain could never read two books at the same time and then tell you what the story was for each book. Likewise, you cannot use two jutsu at once at any time. If you did use it in the past; than be thankful that no one's complained to you about it. It would be incredibly over powered to use a Chidori in one hand and a Rasengan in another; and it also doesn't make sense. To use one jutsu, you need extensive focus and rationing of chakra. To be able to use two jutsu at once would allow anyone to perform Advanced Element techniques.

Now that that's done with; I'm intentionally ignoring the rest of the posts as to stick to the topic at hand. No; you cannot double the chakra drain by using one-hand seals. That constitutes using two jutsu at once, since you're activating the jutsu twice. If the jutsu said "If the user has X special characteristic, they may double the effect"; then you naturally would be, however it is not implied anywhere. The Single-handed seals SC doesn't allow one to perform two jutsu simultaneously, and it never did. It is there to allow one to perform a jutsu behind their back for instance. Unless you can provide canon references of 1 person using 2 jutsu at the same time (save things like shadow clones), the rule will remain.