Application Tagging

Age : 33 Posts : 254

MrMoney wrote:: Initial reason why topic was locked ? See above.

If a topic is tagged and the said tagger is taking to long ether A. Contact said staff member or B. Inform another staff member? We all keep in fairly well contact with each other.

My skype is on the site profile thingy. you have more than enough PMs. Tagging creations is no different than tagging an Eval. Different mods moderate differently jsut as different evaluators eval differently. The only thing tagging does in creation is allow the moderator to get a say in the creation rather than having the possibility of needing to pull it from approval later on.

Why should members have to contact staff members if one of the staff members tags it and is taking too long to say a damn thing? We shouldn't, it's creating a PROBLEM for the members if that's what they must do.

Age : 29 Posts : 1797

ShykeWolfe wrote:

MrMoney wrote:: He didnt have computer access nothing he can do about it "?

You could have denied it instead, or verbalized that there was no chance it would be approved. This way you could have saved me four days of waiting, but this is something you have learned only now, as I said staff members learn over the entire course of their time spent as such.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Because the staff are humans and not machines? Because people forget things? Get sidetracked? IF you cant see why things can be PROBLEMS for staff members as well then you are inconsiderate.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Enzo wrote:

ShykeWolfe wrote:

MrMoney wrote:: He didnt have computer access nothing he can do about it "?

You could have denied it instead, or verbalized that there was no chance it would be approved. This way you could have saved me four days of waiting, but this is something you have learned only now, as I said staff members learn over the entire course of their time spent as such.

Ahh you're referring to all the way back then, and making up something about how I must have been saying you were taking too long. Well I wasn't, it says that TREY could have replied to my defence and conveyed the message that it wasn't going to be approved. Which I'm sure you could agree with.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

MrMoney wrote:: Because the staff are humans and not machines? Because people forget things? Get sidetracked? IF you cant see why things can be PROBLEMS for staff members as well then you are inconsiderate.

You're saying tagging is a good idea, and yet these things do happen. THAT'S WHY IT'S A PROBLEM TO TAG STUFF. GET IT?

Age : 29 Posts : 1797

Since we're all having fun double posting; may I mention that you told Trey that he could take his time looking over your app and that it wasn't as important as your other clan? We can't read your mind. We don't know WHEN you want something done, when you tell us "You can do it whenever you have time." Evidently, Trey didn't have time. So why exactly is this HIS fault, when you explicitly told him otherwise.

Also; you're saying this in hindsight. Neither he nor I were anticipating my three day disappearance. He thought I was going to reply within a few hours, a day at the latest of when he posted. The whole issue would have been resolved. But what you're saying is that he should have informed you that it wouldn't be denied; when he had no idea that it would take so long to get the formal denial. You cannot blame a man for not being prepared for the unexpected.

Age : 37 Posts : 2201

Quote :: The point of this topic anyway, is that application tagging can only create problems, it does not provide solutions.

Case and point, hack slash tag #yolo

First of all, I'd want to ask that you didn't double post. If you have something to say, it's way more efficient to sum it all up in one big post instead of making this topic longer and longer with small posts.

Second of all, I'm not sure if this topic is about the general tagging of applications as it seems more like you only bear a grudge towards a mod for not modding your clan in a timely manner, am I correct?

I'd like it if you didn't decide for the entire site that it's a bad thing to tag things, if a mod feels like they can best handle the application out of the rest of the staff team.

Quote :: Here's an idea, how about you can't tag something. What happened with Hyouketsu Hatsu was unacceptable (was tagged and not checked afterwards for 16 days), and it's only one example of how it can go wrong. Tagging is just a bad idea, because you don't know for sure that you'll end up checking it within 48 hours. This means you can create havoc by making people wait EVEN LONGER than they normally would have to, so how about no.

Tagging hasn't really been something often used on this site, but I want to stress the point that if a staff member tags an application of yours and then the topic goes dead then you are always free to send the staff member a pm or contact him/her in any other manner. Or simply ask another staff member to take over, as after a certain span of time other staff members will not view it as a problem to 'take over' modding from another one.

I understand that you'd feel uncomfortable having to work a bit for getting your things approved, but I'm afraid the staff is only human just like the members and while we hold a certain responsibility then there are also things IRL that can happen. A lack of computer, family issues etc etc. Again, not trying to make excuse upon an excuse... but I just can't really view it with good humor when members say they aren't willing to take any action at all in order to fight for their creations.

All in all, I guess I am wondering if you want with this thread to prevent all tagging from ever happening on the site?

And before this topic goes on much further, I'd like it if the staff members would also try to refrain from letting all 'bad-feelings' stay outside of this thread and not only comment here in order to try and prove each other wrong. Not pointing any fingers, or saying there is any pissing contest going on atm, but it's been very apparent that there have been issues and differences between staff members and those kind of deals are best left for private talking rather than letting them out while discussing a problem that a member has.

I also want to point out that it is very disrespectful to unlock a thread that was already locked, and it's quite easy for staff to talk to each other on Skype or God knows where if there are differences. And we can even pull the Adam card here and he could decide if the thread should stay locked or not. We are all on the same team here guise, let's start acting like it.

Age : 32 Posts : 787

A number of things.

First off, as far as you waiting for four days. There is an application checking topic that allows you to alert the mods of any topic that has gone unnoticed and responded too for over 48 hours. Yes waiting sucks, but guess what, everyone has to deal with it. It just happens. First off, your getting this bad ass entertainment for free, so if the wait is to strenuous on you, I apologize for being blunt, but get the hell over it. It is a very minor inconvenience for, again, something that is given for free.

Second. T ripple posting is a clear and blatant violation of basic forum rules here, you're not even supposed to double post and certainly not in such short time frame. If you want to be heard and taken seriously, abide by and respect the forum policy and procedures.

Third....it is clear by your language that you are simply raging because your clan did not get approved. I for on can say I understand the emotion, and the action, but also having grown since partaking and giving into such a pointless agitation, I can also say from experience, calm down, let it go, and move on. This is supposed to be a board for rational discussion not verbal assault translated to writing.

Also, just a side note, putting your main points in big letters or bolding does not increase the validity of a statement. It is the equivalent of raising your voice in an argument just to out shout someone. It can be all to easily taken as throwing a tantrum, and I am sure that was not your intention, but I strongly discourage using anything but regular type and typically formatted paragraphs as it is more likely to be taken seriously.

Now the only reason I mention that is because the main source of your anger comes from a delusion that Trey (MrMoney) was ridiculing your and making fun of you with his actions. "Rubbing your face in it" I recall you saying. Now see how easy it is to misconstrue something, especially in text when tone can easily be altered by the readers mind? Relax, it was nothing personal, and circumstances just laid out the way they did for your clan's fate.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Enzo wrote:: Since we're all having fun double posting; may I mention that you told Trey that he could take his time looking over your app and that it wasn't as important as your other clan? We can't read your mind. We don't know WHEN you want something done, when you tell us "You can do it whenever you have time." Evidently, Trey didn't have time. So why exactly is this HIS fault, when you explicitly told him otherwise.

Also; you're saying this in hindsight. Neither he nor I were anticipating my three day disappearance. He thought I was going to reply within a few hours, a day at the latest of when he posted. The whole issue would have been resolved. But what you're saying is that he should have informed you that it wouldn't be denied; when he had no idea that it would take so long to get the formal denial. You cannot blame a man for not being prepared for the unexpected.

The other clan I was saying was more important was Tafunesu, the one which I posted a defence on that wasn't replied to. And while I understand you could not anticipate a three day disappearance, that doesn't mean it's acceptable to ignore someone's reply, which he did.

But this topic isn't even supposed to be about that, it's about tagging stuff and why it's just a bad idea. Things happen that are going to get in the way, as we've all agreed on by now. And creating a problem for the member base is not advantageous to the site, to the staff, to the members or to the time consumption. Why should tagging be defended? It can go wrong in so many ways and create delays so easily, I just can't understand the reasoning behind it.

Age : 30 Posts : 311

So, I felt like I'd jump in and give my two cents.

To begin, I'd like to comment that this topic has gotten utterly out of control and we're beginnin' to take crack shots at each other now. Considerin' the name of this topic and the well timed bolded, increased font and capped out lettering, I'm pretty sure everyone got the drift on what the task is at hand, currently.

Personally, I don't particularly have a problem with Tags. I know for a fact that my topic was tagged and I was left waitin' for it to get approved, and yeah, I was slightly impatient over it - but I appreciate gettin' looked at fully the first time. The thing with bein' speedy all the time is that it can often lack quality of a check. The fact that your topic had to get unapproved is a testimony to that.

Now, this brings me to my actual point. The whole reason why you had to wait on your topic to begin with is because the moderation initially done on it was wrong. Now, this isn't the only time this has happened. Actually, in the past month or so, I can remember 5 or 6 cases where this has been a problem. This goes beyond tagging, which I think is a petty issue in the grand scheme of things, to what the actual problem is. There is a lot of inconsistencies within the moderating and administrative team.

Let's be calm and look at this for a second. If people didn't mess up the first time around, allowing something that was clearly against the rules that they're supposed to read, then we wouldn't have had a problem. The recent additions to the moderating team have been corrected by the older staff on multiple occasions. Now, I agree with you, Shyke, that this is all about a learnin' experience, but I think that general regulations would benefit everybody and since you're into efficiency, then maybe this would be right up your ally.

I understand that there's a moderating guideline, but obviously it's not workin' so great if the new moderators and older ones aren't agreeing. In order to be more efficient, y'all should know what you're lookin' for and what is acceptable. What's acceptable on US may not be acceptable on another site and vice versa. From a personal view, I've noted that people are havin' difficulties recognizes these differences and then allowing themselves to assimilate into them.

So, if this is supposed to be about learning and all that jazz, how the hell did two people fuck up enough to let things that aren't acceptable by? This goes beyond your application to the other problem ones as well.

So, to sum up. Stop worryin' about the tag. I agree with the 48 hour rule. Staffers, create stronger regulations so you're all on the same page.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

You bring up a lot of valid points Onyx, although I still disagree with tags in general because of the time that they can consume. I admire your other points as well, and I may have let myself get out of hand about my personal clans in this topic, so I apologize for that. And yes I posted multiple times in a row, because I am also busy at the moment. I was simply clicking 'quote' and then reply after each one, if you want to know what I'm busy with, we just finished moving house a while ago and there's a lot of cleaning to do.

I want to go back to bringing up the main point of this topic, which is the tagging and why it's inefficient in general and I've been trying to steer it back to that. So here it is in all plain language:

If you tag a topic, there is a chance you will not post on it on the day you tag it.. If you are delayed afterwards with real life, or anything else, you leave the topic sitting for 48 hours so others cannot check it. After these 48 hours, the member can ask for another staff member to check it, but this is only because they've been delayed by the 48 hours due to a tag. So this is inefficient yes?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Just have a better clan idea next time >.O

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Chris wrote:: Just have a better clan idea next time >.O

Just have something valid to say for this topic, as I was attempting to drive it back into the original subject with my last post, and like most randoms who are putting messages in here you aren't serving that purpose.

Edit: I deleted something else I said, just to enforce how much I want to get this topic back on track.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Okay, my turn.

I'll start by saying, Onyx covered a lot of the stuff quite well but lacks the authority to give an actual verdict like an administrator can. The topic got off topic pretty quick and focused on one issue that should be an after thought now seeing as it's supposedly been solved now. However the topic of Application Tagging is something that has started to happen a little bit recently. Obviously it works extremely well in the Evaluations section but the Creation's is an entirely different place, especially in regards to Clans and Characters seeing as they're urgent and important as they're requirements before somebody can actually start roleplaying. To make this exhausting thing as quick as possible, application tagging should not be a thing but there's obviously exceptions to this rule. Moderators are the employees of this site and administrators are the management. Certain things require a verdict from the people with the most authority, head moderators of their sections come into this as well but as of the time this issue arose the head moderators were administrators anyway. Regular moderators should not be tagging applications, that's what it boils down to. What happened with Shyke's clan was oversight in both it's approval and how it was handled afterward. All we should be doing is apologizing and saying we'll use it as a learning experience.

Can I solve this now please, Trent?

Age : 33 Posts : 254

I agree to the solving of this issue.

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Solved.