'No Seals' [SC Chatter]

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Quote :: Name: No Seals
Rank: A
Type: Physical
Physical Requirements: Blurred Hand Movements
Training Requirements: A 1600 word training post is required to gain this special characteristic.
Description: The ultimate expression of efficiency creating speed in jutsu use, this special characteristic eliminates the need for the shinobi to speak the name of, or perform any hand seals for, any technique which would normally require such provide the technique is D-rank or lower and within their specialty or E-rank if it is not their specialty. Note that jutsu affected by this characteristic may not benefit from one-handed seals, blurred hand speed, or other effects which affect speed at which hand seals are formed or the number of seals needed.

~ Why does this exist?

~ I get it can be useful as Kyle just spoke to me about it when I said it was kinda useless, and for the purposes of linking D-Rank and beneath Jutsu it could be pretty powerful. But at the same time, is having the ability to perform a Jutsu without signs.. Too powerful?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

Hmm I have always figured that seals and jutsu names are meant to help... concentrate chakra. Especially at a young age, shinobi wouldn't be used to controlling chakra; they would just know and practice three generic techniques at first, and then slowly, later on, find out about walking on trees, elemental affinities and such other things.

In my humble opinion, as a Shinobi grows experienced, his understanding of chakra and how it works and how he/she controls it, improves greatly TO THE POINT, where he doesn't need seals or doesn't need to call out a Jutsu's name, in order to perform it. Thinking about the jutsu - focusing on it mentally - is all that is required. Especially if you're used to using a certain jutsu often, its 'feel' would become so familiar that you probably wouldn't need the two above-mentioned things.

Now that's probably taking things too far, but I would argue that much like spells could be cast without a wand and without saying their name in Harry Potter, the same rule applies here.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

~ The above SC has the potential to kill a person in one post, without giving them a chance to defend themselves whatsoever. It depends on the Jutsu available and how many you can link all at the same time, without hand signs. (And the fact you don't need hand signs, means that you don't need time to focus the Chakra, meaning you can do just about any number of Jutsu within the same post which may or may not include Genjutsu.)

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

As the creator of the SC being discussed I think I'll pipe up on this one.

Actually Chris you were pretty much spot-on.

When I created it the intent was to make the lower-rank techniques like replacement and bushin more practical for use at the higher ranks. If you watch the anime you frequently see the experienced ninja like Kakashi and Orichimaru using the Replacement technique to avoid what seems like certain death yet not making any handseals or other tell-tales. In fact they pull it off so fast that even experienced ninja like Anko and the Third Hokage don't see them actually making the switch. The idea behind the SC was to represent that level of ability - being so familiar with the most basic techniques that the ninja can execute the simpler techniques (ie E and D-ranked) with only a concentration. Of course I left out the higher-ranked ones for the reason that while being able to swap places with a boulder to avoid getting fried/ crushed/ bisected/ etc without warning rarely causes much trouble, the same can't be said if the frying attack has no warning. No one likes being put into that situation.

Of course looking back I think Advanced Chakra Control would have made more sense as the prerequisite if not for one pesky problem. The restriction of that SC to medical & genjutsu specialists. If that condition is ever removed or expanded to allow ninjutsu (assuming No Seals remains) I'll probably ask for that to be made the requirement.

PS

ShykeWolfe wrote:: ~ The above SC has the potential to kill a person in one post, without giving them a chance to defend themselves whatsoever. It depends on the Jutsu available and how many you can link all at the same time, without hand signs. (And the fact you don't need hand signs, means that you don't need time to focus the Chakra, meaning you can do just about any number of Jutsu within the same post which may or may not include Genjutsu.

That is why I limited it to E & D ranks. Per the jutsu description under the jutsu guide:

Quote :: • E-rank: The lowest rank of jutsu. These lowly ranked type of techniques are taught at the Academy, thus every ninja knows them regardless of their specialty. Any other custom E-ranked techniques can’t do much damage nor bring much aid. Weapons and equipment of this rank are very basic and don’t contain any special attributes; some being even below average quality. An example of a E-ranked technique would be Bunshin no Jutsu (Clone Technique).

• D-rank: The second lowest rank of jutsu. These type of techniques are frequent partakers in a genin’s arsenal. Techniques of this rank usually do a small amount of damage or slightly less than average aid, so don’t expect a bone-breaking attack or ultimate health boost. Weapons and equipment of this rank are basic and have very little special attributes; nothing chakra conductive however. An example of a D-ranked technique would be Shunshin no Jutsu (Body Flicker Technique).

Basically the D ranks aren't supposed to be able to cause enough damage to be truly dangerous unless used in large amounts. And I was under the impression at the time I made the SC that even if you are extremely familiar with the technique it still takes a minimal certain amount of time to pull off and then recover before the next one can be initiated. Otherwise the same problem would happen with Blurred Hand Speed, which scarily has no limit on rank and was one of the original SCs.

Now if someone does do the whole "spam a dozen tiny jutsu in under a second"... Well, let me just say they should start watching their backs for a certain white-haired jounin. When I create something and allow others to use it I expect them to respect its intent and be mature enough to avoid obvious abuses. And if they don't... well, there is always the rumored upcoming war and the open nature of certain missions. Accidents have been known to happen.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

It's fine and good you're happy to kill people who abuse the SC, but that doesn't really stop people from abusing it still? o_O

I'd like for it to be one of the SC's that are revised, if it isn't already.

PS: I'm aware Jounin+ are expected to be quite responsible IC/OOC, but there's nothing in the SC limiting multiple techniques from being used all at once nor the types of techniques that can be. So it's not like you can blame someone if they do so when they have the SC.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

You would be surprised. Sometimes you only need to make the potential consequences clear to people and they'll err on the side of the angles.

I would have no problem with it being revised. At least I hope it would be revised along with the other SC's. Otherwise certain combinations of SC's, individually fine, could just too much. Case in point - someone having both the chakra-boosting SCs and advanced chakra control. Individually they're fine for the most part, but on the same character... ugh.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Cool beans, so I guess this topic can be solved so long as the staff give it a look?

Age : 29 Posts : 3145

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the limit on attacks in one post is 3. It may be an unoffical, rule of the thumb kind of thing, but that's what I'm pretty sure most of us follow :/

Age : 29 Posts : 3640

All SCs are currently under revision by the staff, so not to worry. Things will be straightened out.

And Chris, I really don't know about that. I think it's down to the user's discretion about what is acceptable or not.

Age : 33 Posts : 159

Generally I agree with Chris on the idea of the improvement of jutsu use.

And it is important to remember that it is only D and E rank techniques that can be used without seals and if you look at the describtion of a D rank techniques:

Quote :: • D-rank: The second lowest rank of jutsu. These type of techniques are frequent partakers in a genin’s arsenal. Techniques of this rank usually do a small amount of damage or slightly less than average aid, so don’t expect a bone-breaking attack or ultimate health boost. Weapons and equipment of this rank are basic and have very little special attributes; nothing chakra conductive however. An example of a D-ranked technique would be Shunshin no Jutsu (Body Flicker Technique).

It clearly states that D rank jutsu are far from fatal and another point is that with the SC being A rank only Jounin or above ranks can posses it. Few Jounin fighting another Jounin would put their faith in D rank jutsu and if it is a Jounin against a Genin, whos main arsenal is D and C rank jutsu, then the Genin is pretty screwed either way.

As I see it there is not really a problem with the SC in its current form. While abuse is always a concern, very rule can be abused, but with the attack limit to 3 and the ineffectiveness of the allowed jutsu it really isn't an issue here

Age : 31 Posts : 8965

Solved?

Age : 29 Posts : 4301

Solved.