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Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Now that the site wide inactivity is becoming a thing again because of school, what do people intend to do about it?

I personally am trying to RP with as many people as possible to keep them and myself from going inactive, though there is only so much I can do when others stop replying. It is safe to say that all of the three Kage have shot into activities for reasons I don't know, though I guess it's the usual things, either School or Work. Still, their inactivity keeps the villages from actually doing anything in terms of holidays, events, etc etc. While I have several ideas as to fix it, I would very much like to hear what other people have to say about it, especially the Moderators and the remaining Admin (Yep, that's you Adam Razz

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Next to that, there is the matter of Kirigakure, which is just one big clusterfuck. Not a single one of the higher ups are active in that place, while there are only 3 or 4 active members left in the place, these being Kirito Yuki, Aries, MrMoney and Panda, though he is still working on his character and I am not sure about Yamikura, seeing as I never talk to the guy. It feels like their activity is just going to waste because there is no village to invest it in, because leadership is gone along with the next possible Kage and the one after that (and the ones after that). I think we can all agree that having three villages is simply too much, because if Kirigakure was to get active again, it would most certainly come at the cost of another one going inactive and taking it's place in becoming an eyesore.

Next to the inactivity hitting members, it also hits staff, seeing as there are roughly 3 of them moderating things and 3 others that are checking topics and evaluating them for points, leaving 4 moderators that don't do much of anything, at least from what I can see as a member. Not sure if stuff is happening in the Staff room that requires their attention or something, so I am just speaking out of what I can see. Because I don't want this to become another rant, I am hoping to get some reviews here that can actually keep us from going on another one of our US Slumber periods in which everyone goes MIA, the characters keep aging and nothing really happens.

______Personal Ideas______

Because I don't think changing our leadership yet again will actually work, I think we need to figure something out that will allow us to move forward without relying on those that are not around. So, if the Staff and everyone else can agree to it, I'd recommend coming up with something along the lines of some village events that do not involve something that requires twenty people entering one topic and going inactive. As such, I propose the following:

Make some events that center around the celebration of the past Kage, maybe some sort of remembrance festival in their honor. If all goes well, it can even become a yearly thing that might boost activity.

Set up some sort of tournament in the village that includes some fancy prices, ranging from C to S rank, so people will have something to aim and stay active for.

Because the majority of the people in the village are all Genin, that does not mean that it should only be for them, meaning we should also figure out something for the other ranks, like putting Genin with Genin, Experienced Genin with Chuunin and possible Special Jounin, Jounin with Master Jounin and S ranks, seeing as this would probably make for the most fair match-ups.

If people go inactive in the Tournament for more than 72 hours, they get kicked out and their opponent advances by default, rooting out any possible problems born through inactivity while rewarding the active people. I know how some people may have trouble with school and all, though actually being away while letting people know before hand would be a lot better than just disappearing for a week and coming back to complain about being dropped and how it was not your fault. Trust me, a lot of people do that.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

____Kirigakure____

I think Kirigakure should just be removed while all of it's people should get the chance to pick a new village to go to without being scolded or getting hurt/killed IC for it. Say the place gets hit my a Bigass Megalodon fighting a Giant-Octopus (Scifi-channel shit) and the place sinks. Though this is just an idea, I have no intel on how the people in Kirigakure actually experience all of it, and if they are content with everything, I don't think we even need to talk about this at all. Still, if they do feel crappy about all of this inactivity, they should get this chance while we scrap the village, also keeping new members from walking into the place full of expectations, only to get slapped with the wet towel of inactivity.

If the people from Kirigakure want to say something about this, please do, because I am just ranting here.

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Now that I said all that I have to say on the matter, let the feelstorm begin

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Tournament! Tournament!

Although sadly I've never seen one work. There's always the massive hype and everyone starts well, then most of the matches die, getting default wins or just cancelling with one that actually goes through properly. Dying completely by round 2. Would still love to see one.

Activity wise, yeah school's back so lots of people are losing activity to that. Something like this might bring them back.

Age : 32 Posts : 1495

I'm trying to RP but it's kind of hard when it takes about a week to get your "Approved"...

I personally think a tournament is a horrible idea, if anything it would kill the activity even more. PVP in RP sites is kind of a sticky subject and good RP's try to avoid it where unnecesarry, too many butthurt people thinking they've been injustly "beaten" and "robbed of their prizes" in totally "staged" and "fake" battles and leaving comes to mind.

Seeing how the previous even hasn't been completed and it started about 3 months ago... Yeah events don't go very well here as many as I've seen. It needs a lot of moderation and dedication from people which can sometimes be lacking.

I don't see how school and university season takes people away, if anything it attracts them, they need something to do in the evenings now that their summer jobs and holidays are done and all...

That's just me though, feel free to thrash about...

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

I can't really be fucked to write lots at the moment so I'll contribute what I have to say as concisely as possible.

- Tournaments. I love the idea, personally, but if it goes well I'll invert my half grown penis. The moon tournament that was held just over two years ago on here got to round two, lots of victories by default. Relying on people's activity does not work well.

- Staff. We can't know for sure who's doing what as we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, if they're still considered a staff member then I trust they're contributing something. I'm sure upside down cunt's spoken to anyone who's inactive on there and attempted to deal with it. As for Darius, never trust a northerner. I'd almost rather have a frenchie. Almost.

- Kirigakure. I was surprised it done damn diddly went and gone get done opened, but from what I can see (not much, I have a lazy eye l0l) it hasn't got too much activity. Konoha's doing ok, could be better. Is Kumo still dead? Probably. Solution would be close one, but then you get the argument of which one, what happens to registered characters there, etc etc.

- Overall, get DarDar back. He's the Yaya Toure or the Patrick Vieria of this site. Also active kages don't exist and if they do they're power abusing annoying shit faces who should be round housed in the prick. There've been some new additions to staff so lets see if they get things moving any time soon. I'd say leave events out, they don't work much and if one's going to happen, that's up to the staff. In short, Adam knows what to do, we just wait till he does it and try to remain active.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

RukaAyaka wrote:: I'm trying to RP but it's kind of hard when it takes about a week to get your "Approved"...

I know that the remaining moderators are trying hard to get to everything. If you need to wait for something, just bump it up after a day or so. Aaron, Panda and BK should get to it soon enough.

RukaAyaka wrote:: I personally think a tournament is a horrible idea, if anything it would kill the activity even more. PVP in RP sites is kind of a sticky subject and good RP's try to avoid it where unnecesarry, too many butthurt people thinking they've been injustly "beaten" and "robbed of their prizes" in totally "staged" and "fake" battles and leaving comes to mind.

The entire thing is about battles being set up for the sole purpose of keeping the people who choose to be a part of it active. If they win or lose, well, that just comes down to their own determination and skill as a roleplayer/combat writer. While I get how all of this may be a bad idea, people are not required to join, making it their own choice entirely. If they claim that things have gone unjustly or that the fight was staged, they probably are not happy with their own performance and blame others for it.

RukaAyaka wrote:: Seeing how the previous even hasn't been completed and it started about 3 months ago... Yeah events don't go very well here as many as I've seen. It needs a lot of moderation and dedication from people which can sometimes be lacking.

While I get this response, this is not the kind of thing that forces multiple people into one topic. It pushes two people into one topic, just like the majority of all other topics on this site. They fight to win glory and a prize. I know how something like this would need a lot of moderation, though this can be handled by a third party. The people who set up this tournament in their respective village will be partially responsible for moderating the topics along with any moderator/admin that takes this task onto themselves, giving people the perspective of a member and a member of staff so there will be no cheating or bitching involved.

RukaAyaka wrote:: I don't see how school and university season takes people away, if anything it attracts them, they need something to do in the evenings now that their summer jobs and holidays are done and all...

That is true in some cases, though a lot of people have all of their time swallowed by school or college and possibly their job, meaning they don't feel like putting the remainder of their free time into some shallow topic. As such, something like this might pick up on their activity and give them a reason to come back.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Winged Blade wrote:: I can't really be fucked to write lots at the moment so I'll contribute what I have to say as concisely as possible.

- Tournaments. I love the idea, personally, but if it goes well I'll invert my half grown penis. The moon tournament that was held just over two years ago on here got to round two, lots of victories by default. Relying on people's activity does not work well.

- Staff. We can't know for sure who's doing what as we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, if they're still considered a staff member then I trust they're contributing something. I'm sure upside down cunt's spoken to anyone who's inactive on there and attempted to deal with it. As for Darius, never trust a northerner. I'd almost rather have a frenchie. Almost.

- Kirigakure. I was surprised it done damn diddly went and gone get done opened, but from what I can see (not much, I have a lazy eye l0l) it hasn't got too much activity. Konoha's doing ok, could be better. Is Kumo still dead? Probably. Solution would be close one, but then you get the argument of which one, what happens to registered characters there, etc etc.

- Overall, get DarDar back. He's the Yaya Toure or the Patrick Vieria of this site. Also active kages don't exist and if they do they're power abusing annoying shit faces who should be round housed in the prick. There've been some new additions to staff so lets see if they get things moving any time soon. I'd say leave events out, they don't work much and if one's going to happen, that's up to the staff. In short, Adam knows what to do, we just wait till he does it and try to remain active.

I think I can reply to this one as a whole.

Tournament: It's a risk I for one am willing to take. Not sure how staff sees it, though we are going inactive anyway, so there is nothing to be lost by trying something.
Staff: Not really my place to reply to this, so I won't.
Kirigakure: I agree with most of this, though Kumogakure has been in the running a whole lot longer, and that is something that should be kept in mind when a possible vote comes up. I don't think it's up to just staff to pick one, as it should be a collaboration between every member on the site, seeing as there are still people RPing in the place. As for the registered members, they can be given the chance to go Nuke or go to one of the remaining villages, at least that's my two cents on the matter.
Overall: Penis wearing a hat.

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Spectre wrote:

Winged Blade wrote:: I can't really be fucked to write lots at the moment so I'll contribute what I have to say as concisely as possible.

- Tournaments. I love the idea, personally, but if it goes well I'll invert my half grown penis. The moon tournament that was held just over two years ago on here got to round two, lots of victories by default. Relying on people's activity does not work well.

- Staff. We can't know for sure who's doing what as we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, if they're still considered a staff member then I trust they're contributing something. I'm sure upside down cunt's spoken to anyone who's inactive on there and attempted to deal with it. As for Darius, never trust a northerner. I'd almost rather have a frenchie. Almost.

- Kirigakure. I was surprised it done damn diddly went and gone get done opened, but from what I can see (not much, I have a lazy eye l0l) it hasn't got too much activity. Konoha's doing ok, could be better. Is Kumo still dead? Probably. Solution would be close one, but then you get the argument of which one, what happens to registered characters there, etc etc.

- Overall, get DarDar back. He's the Yaya Toure or the Patrick Vieria of this site. Also active kages don't exist and if they do they're power abusing annoying shit faces who should be round housed in the prick. There've been some new additions to staff so lets see if they get things moving any time soon. I'd say leave events out, they don't work much and if one's going to happen, that's up to the staff. In short, Adam knows what to do, we just wait till he does it and try to remain active.

I think I can reply to this one as a whole.

Tournament: It's a risk I for one am willing to take. Not sure how staff sees it, though we are going inactive anyway, so there is nothing to be lost by trying something.
Staff: Not really my place to reply to this, so I won't.
Kirigakure: I agree with most of this, though Kumogakure has been in the running a whole lot longer, and that is something that should be kept in mind when a possible vote comes up. I don't think it's up to just staff to pick one, as it should be a collaboration between every member on the site, seeing as there are still people RPing in the place. As for the registered members, they can be given the chance to go Nuke or go to one of the remaining villages, at least that's my two cents on the matter.
Overall: Penis wearing a hat.

Tournament, point taken, but organising it may be too much effort for lazy people if they know it's not going to work. I'd say worth a try, but we'll see what they think. They'd be the ones doing it, after all.
Staff, did Sied just learn his place?! It's called above the chocolates, beer and Brouges and in the shadow of the maniacs to the north-east.
Kiri, some people might want to start anew or just remain in Kiri in general, there will be those opposed to closing it, and closing it could reduce activity further. Not quite what we're going for here.
Overall, tie a noose around your neck and attach it to the windmill just outside your single roomed flat.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Winged Blade wrote:

Spectre wrote:

Winged Blade wrote:: I can't really be fucked to write lots at the moment so I'll contribute what I have to say as concisely as possible.

- Tournaments. I love the idea, personally, but if it goes well I'll invert my half grown penis. The moon tournament that was held just over two years ago on here got to round two, lots of victories by default. Relying on people's activity does not work well.

- Staff. We can't know for sure who's doing what as we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, if they're still considered a staff member then I trust they're contributing something. I'm sure upside down cunt's spoken to anyone who's inactive on there and attempted to deal with it. As for Darius, never trust a northerner. I'd almost rather have a frenchie. Almost.

- Kirigakure. I was surprised it done damn diddly went and gone get done opened, but from what I can see (not much, I have a lazy eye l0l) it hasn't got too much activity. Konoha's doing ok, could be better. Is Kumo still dead? Probably. Solution would be close one, but then you get the argument of which one, what happens to registered characters there, etc etc.

- Overall, get DarDar back. He's the Yaya Toure or the Patrick Vieria of this site. Also active kages don't exist and if they do they're power abusing annoying shit faces who should be round housed in the prick. There've been some new additions to staff so lets see if they get things moving any time soon. I'd say leave events out, they don't work much and if one's going to happen, that's up to the staff. In short, Adam knows what to do, we just wait till he does it and try to remain active.

I think I can reply to this one as a whole.

Tournament: It's a risk I for one am willing to take. Not sure how staff sees it, though we are going inactive anyway, so there is nothing to be lost by trying something.
Staff: Not really my place to reply to this, so I won't.
Kirigakure: I agree with most of this, though Kumogakure has been in the running a whole lot longer, and that is something that should be kept in mind when a possible vote comes up. I don't think it's up to just staff to pick one, as it should be a collaboration between every member on the site, seeing as there are still people RPing in the place. As for the registered members, they can be given the chance to go Nuke or go to one of the remaining villages, at least that's my two cents on the matter.
Overall: Penis wearing a hat.

Tournament, point taken, but organising it may be too much effort for lazy people if they know it's not going to work. I'd say worth a try, but we'll see what they think. They'd be the ones doing it, after all.
Staff, did Sied just learn his place?! It's called above the chocolates, beer and Brouges and in the shadow of the maniacs to the north-east.
Kiri, some people might want to start anew or just remain in Kiri in general, there will be those opposed to closing it, and closing it could reduce activity further. Not quite what we're going for here.
Overall, tie a noose around your neck and attach it to the windmill just outside your single roomed flat.

I'd be very much willing to help out with the setting up of this thing in Konohagakure if such a thing was to be agreed upon by staff. I can have something written up in a matter of hours, because it's not that much of a problem to me. I set up several tournaments already, most of them made it to the finals, so that at least is worth something. If it means helping out with the activity thing, i'd very much like to help.

As to the noose thing, I just might Sad

Age : 37 Posts : 2201

Tournaments sound like a fine idea, as long as people aren't forced into them with a subtle threat of inactivity sweep #suchastrongmoveadmins.

I am just not sure if events and tournaments can ever actually survive and work out well.... but still doesn't mean people can't try.

What usually kills them, is that people are either forced into them .. or too many people are put in a single thread... and then there is of course the incidents when modding just doesn't happen.
Don't have any opinion really on if Kirigakure should stay open or closed. If it closes, it might mean more people in the other two villages. It might also mean that those that are in Kiri will get pissed and leave.

Can really just go two ways ...
School is a bitch to everybody, I mean there is nothing really that can change that. People come more on whenever there are vacations and such ... that's just how it goes. School is royally messing up my own activity soooo.
Staff matters are fucked. People get annoyed because they have to wait forever and a day for things to be approved. I'd think that's either as big of a reason for inactivity as the school matters... or even bigger. Why the heck is there a huge staff widget thing on the site? Like seriously.. are there more than two staff members active? Don't try to kid yourself there people.

There is little we can do about that honestly. The admins are the ones that provide us with staff .. and well ... derp? Darius is known for disappearing and staying on another planet. And Adam ? Well, he dun gief a shiz. If I didn't know he'd say no just to be able to, I'd offer some mod help ... but yeah no I don't think that would ever go through. I'd honestly rather help with staffing atm than rp-ing, just because it bugs the shit out of me.
Honestly not sure what more to say. We can't do anything about activity until staff activity goes up and people get happy. Happy people with fast replies = activity.

Stahp disappearing staff. Don't be teases.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

MsMoney wrote:: Tournaments sound like a fine idea, as long as people aren't forced into them with a subtle threat of inactivity sweep #suchastrongmoveadmins.

I am just not sure if events and tournaments can ever actually survive and work out well.... but still doesn't mean people can't try.

I agree, we should not be forcing people into anything, because that often has negative effects on everyone, and that is something we can very much do without.

MsMoney wrote:: What usually kills them, is that people are either forced into them .. or too many people are put in a single thread... and then there is of course the incidents when modding just doesn't happen.

Like I said, 2 people per topic will make things go as smooth as possible.

Posts : 150

I vote none of the above.

I think US as a whole needs revamping. Total activity check, sifting through the ones who aren't doing anything and wasting their opportunities. Yes, I'm guilty of this too, but I had my reasons. I'm willing to come back if changes are made but I'm not gonna break my back in the process. Changes not just to villages or events, however, but staffing as well. By reading this stuff so far, sounds like it's only gotten worse since I left. Fix one, other is still broken, first one breaks again because of it. See the reasoning?

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I know that I am a noob to the site. However, revamping at times of low activity is a double edge sword. Most of the time when that happens sites slowly die. This is because revamping is a lengthy process takes a tremendous amount of effort, and typically encourages inactivity whiles changes are made. People just have to make the effort of rping. Maybe a mini arch for people to take part in. Solo activity will always be solo so I think there should be more of a concerted effort to get a mass group thread going.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

*points to last set of "Event Topics"* Yeah. Doing a "join the event or be ejected" worked sooo well. Aren't some people still waiting for one of those topics to finish? Far better to tailor the event to the number who want to join it and thus are more likely to stay active than create some grandiose plan that falls flat on its face because 2/3 the "participants" go MIA at the first opportunity from something they didn't want to join in the first place.

I'm also in agreement with the more people the longer it takes. The whole "Gift of the Gods" bit on Kumo's side proved that. Now I have pulled off threads with 2 other players posting in it, but all the posts in those have proven themselves to be reliable. And they understand that if they don't keep up a reasonable pace or give a reasonable warning about inactivity/ delays beforehand they will be written out with attendant consequences. Which leads to another problem - staff not following or enforcing their own rules for the events. How the heck do they expect the players to follow the rules about posting deadlines when they don't?

As for the Kiri thing. Meh, what can I say but not surprised. Between a rushed opening and bad timing I was expecting it's diehards to have faded away already. What any of the villages here needs to be stable is a core of active players who keep it going. Kumo didn't really have that for a while and Kiri seems to be down to just those few now who still aren't enough. Personally I say just keep it going and offer the ones who want to leave the chance to transfer their existing character or make a new one with all their Xp/ Mp retained and credits for any SC training posts written. If a surge of newcomers actually sticks around and brings the village back up to speed, great. If it ends up being a last one out turn off the light, so be it. I will say this however - do NOT give rewards for people to join under-populated villages. Villages that are the underpopulated need players who will stick around for the long haul and stay active, not people who jump in because of a bonus then get bored after the shiny new toy gets a little beat up and leave. That just aggravates an already bad situation.

I won't even go into the whole staff issue. My opinion on the majority of the staff here is well known and I don't feel like having to repeat it or deal with the bruised ego's that will result. Suffice to say I've seen this before, saw this one coming, and will be waiting for the next one because the the cause of the issue isn't dealt with. And its not school. We have had several staff who work full-time jobs and/or attend school and have no problem staying active.

Frankly I think a lot of the event problems, and a good chunk of the general problems, would go away if the staff stopped being so god damn insular and doing everything in their little "no peons allowed" staff lounge. They complain about being overloaded with work, yet just make more for themselves by insisting that only they, as if they're the only ones who understand the rules, can actually create workable ideas for new ones. The same going for events as well. So maybe its time for the staff to stop trying to micromanage every little thing according to some "Grand Plan" that was created while 100 times over the legal limit and wearing rose-tinted glasses and let the players have a real say in how things are run.

If the staff want to create new systems, then ask for the players to submit ideas. Maybe one or even a few will be good enough to stand on their own or maybe it will come down to borrowing bits and pieces of a few. But its clear that right now the staff not only struggle to come up with ideas of their own, they can't even get the ones they do get out because the effort is solely in the hands of one person who may just take a leave of absence because they feel like and take their work with them. To say nothing of saving some of the inevitable revisions that happen because the group-think tank called "Staff Lounge" won't point out glaring holes to avoid offending someone. The same for events. Notice that when staff do these things, it usually ends up being a bomb? Yet when the players themselves run threads that practically mirror an event it usually gets finished. So why not let the people who have proven they can pull off these things actually run them?

Age : 26 Posts : 183

Well I wont make this long. Tired ATM... (AI) and still end up making it long. hahah*Yawn*...zzz

-Activity has certainly gone down. School has started and most of us are there. Some of us are able to still work in the site. But others are just swamped. Each person varies, like sand on a beach. They look at their priorities and will place US where they feel it should be placed, it's just how it is. Personally I'm just a full time worker, But my laboratory's work load moves like a roller coaster. I try to do what I can to inform my co-RPers ahead of time if things are getting heavy for me in RL. It all falls down on what level of responsibility ppl apply here. Some people here are responsible for their things here, and others not so much. Like sand on a beach

-I've never been negative about tournaments, but always hesitant about them because of rule-bending I've seen. Once my opponent went inactive for almost a week without saying anything on why, chuunin exam/tourney, with a 48hr limit. Needless to say i was getting frustrated. She finally returned saying her life wasn't going so well, she had a break-up. Once the match was over she earned the title of Chunin. I had to argue with Admin for them to give me the rank too, been a genin there for almost a full active year and kept full activity during the fight. putting aside my past history with tourneys, I'd definitely join if the rules will be enforced, 72 hrs is very good for this time of the year.

-Reading what everyone says about staffing really depresses me. To be blunt about it. Staff members should show the utmost responsibility for the site, hence their given rank within it. Especially the Administration. Staff should be people who set a positive example of activity, responsiveness, and dedication to the site. We all know who shows that example, and who don't. I have the utmost respect for all staff (standard respect for the ones I haven't spoken to yet. Dont be mad, its just that i dont know you.). A good site needs a lot of things, and my head is hurting trying to properly list it all. I'm sure everyone else feels the same at some point.

-On another note, not to offend, but disappearing without warning if VERY VERY poor example of a good staff member. Staff who have times of inactivity should inform the site public-ally about it. And tell them what is being done to cover any thing that may arise during his/her absence. Just like everyone else, staff have their own lives. But being a part of staff in ANYTHING should be looked as if it was a part time job.

-In my time on sites, Members in charge of their own "mini" event or so how Tree had placed it "practically mirror an event" have proven to function and finish a lot better than a staff made event. Usually in those cases they involve only a few people. It gets performed in the fashion they are all happy with. In a perspective though, comparing staff events and "mirrored" member events is like comparing an apple to an orange. Staff try to form an event to make everyone happy. Not to mention the fact that their events usually effect the site storyline entirely. where as those few members in their own event just need to satisfy themselves.

-The site does need work done. I am also in total agreement with Katsumi; about the changes sometimes being a double-edged sword. Due to the amount of patience we ask of all the members. Some will definitely grow impatient about it. But it does take time to get things done right. There's that.

-I was also thinking, would it be wrong to give a few active members who are willing; the opportunity to help moderate applications and requests? Or hell help out with anything else. Get some of the load off so the real mods can work on other things. such as the SC revamp that still hasn't been done.

Age : 49 Posts : 1036

To address the bit about events (since its late and I'm closing up as I write this):
Basically they're trying to make everyone happy all of the time with these events and that just isn't practical. Especially when they have a habit of just not doing jack at the points where it brings the thread to a screeching halt. A far better way would be to make many small but linked events whose overall outcome affects the course rather than one single event that is vulnerable to being held up. In more detail the person starting it would create a bunch of "mini-events" - say missions for 2 maybe 3 or 4 players that are tied together by an overarching storyline and are broken up into several groups. Players form their own group, pick one of the mini's they like, and off they go. Success, failure, or even closed due to inactivity, a key here is that as soon as they're done with one mini the players can grab another and try again. Another key here is basic math - each success mini being 1 point, a failed -1, and aborted zero. If the overall result of all the mini's is positive it opens an additional set of mini's, negative a difference set, and zero a third. And so on. The exact setup is really better drawn than written but you could think of it somewhat like a program full of "if then" commands that loops until one of two conditions is meet that causes it to use a set of commands outside the loop that terminates the whole thing. Now I will admit that its more work at the start to run this sort of event since all the mini's have to be created beforehand and grouped up, etc. However an upside to that compared to current events is that all the work is front loaded. Meaning it can be done ahead of time and stored until needed. Most of the actual work once things start is up to the players and the staff only really need to take an active hand at the final fight and if a dispute arises.

As to the whole player-mods:
Frankly I would rather the players do the actual system redesigns and the staff just tweak (with input from ALL the players) until the final version is ready. I don't know how many hands the SC revamp has been through already but I imagine it's more than 1 or 2 given how long it has supposedly been in the works. At this point its pretty obvious that its not going to be done in a remotely practical time frame if it keeps bouncing around the staffs hands like a hot potato. Let the staff clear applications since those require their final approval anyway, otherwise the player will have to deal with the grief of having started a thread only to have their character unapproved and their work to that point declared void, and leave the stuff that takes time and energy to people who have it.

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What in the hell are you going on about now? Stop wasting my time.

And I don't even have to ask who, how, or why.

Yall want to know what goes on in the Staff Lounge? Okie dokie.

1% Actually getting shit done (including, but not limited to, suggesting new features for the site, reworking and revamping systems, etc)
99% Prodding an Admin to put down the damned bottle and actually approve the things and add them to the systems.

Age : 29 Posts : 3640

BK-201 wrote:

What in the hell are you going on about now? Stop wasting my time.

And I don't even have to ask who, how, or why.

Yall want to know what goes on in the Staff Lounge? Okie dokie.

1% Actually getting shit done (including, but not limited to, suggesting new features for the site, reworking and revamping systems, etc)
99% Prodding an Admin to put down the damned bottle and actually approve the things and add them to the systems.

I think Trav is pissed with the Staff Lounge...

To be fair though, this is about right, especially as of late.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Katsumi wrote:: -In my time on sites, Members in charge of their own "mini" event or so how Tree had placed it "practically mirror an event" have proven to function and finish a lot better than a staff made event. Usually in those cases they involve only a few people. It gets performed in the fashion they are all happy with. In a perspective though, comparing staff events and "mirrored" member events is like comparing an apple to an orange. Staff try to form an event to make everyone happy. Not to mention the fact that their events usually effect the site storyline entirely. where as those few members in their own event just need to satisfy themselves.

And that is exactly why I would want to try this for people. It is to satisfy ourselves, as well as to make a small impact to the site, though all of that stays within the limits of the village. Sure, the people who manage to win will get a bit more reputation for being strong and whatnot, maybe even get a cool prize, though that would be about it. My personal idea was so to do something like this Tournament and claim it is as a remembrance to the fallen Kage over the years, which seems like a good thing to do and a perfect theme to work with.

Olan wrote:: -I've never been negative about tournaments, but always hesitant about them because of rule-bending I've seen. Once my opponent went inactive for almost a week without saying anything on why, chuunin exam/tourney, with a 48hr limit. Needless to say i was getting frustrated. She finally returned saying her life wasn't going so well, she had a break-up. Once the match was over she earned the title of Chunin. I had to argue with Admin for them to give me the rank too, been a genin there for almost a full active year and kept full activity during the fight. putting aside my past history with tourneys, I'd definitely join if the rules will be enforced, 72 hrs is very good for this time of the year.

I can honestly say that I have been through the same stuff on another Naruto site once, and I do not want that kind of stuff to happen to this tournament, if it is to actually make it into existence. Rules should be enforced, because in a tournament with multiple people, waiting for one of them can mean losing several to inactivity, and that is something we do not need. So yeah, if this passes, rules will be enforced.

Allie wrote:: I vote none of the above.

I think US as a whole needs revamping. Total activity check, sifting through the ones who aren't doing anything and wasting their opportunities. Yes, I'm guilty of this too, but I had my reasons. I'm willing to come back if changes are made but I'm not gonna break my back in the process. Changes not just to villages or events, however, but staffing as well. By reading this stuff so far, sounds like it's only gotten worse since I left. Fix one, other is still broken, first one breaks again because of it. See the reasoning

I see your point, though you have to keep in mind that the place is currently going through an inactive spree due to school and work, something that affects all of us, though some are just able to handle it better and still be active here. A lot of people have been given free high ranked characters to start out in Kirigakure, though I do not think the one that gave these ranks away would have anticipated that everyone with a high rank that would supposedly be the village backbone would just disappear along with the Mizukage. The moment things got heated because of his actions, he went MIA, rather than to face the consequences of his moves, which would have been a full-on war with Kumogakure and Konohagakure. As far as that goes, there is a very clear pattern with this sudden leave and the things that happened on the other Naruto site, because it has happened before.

I understand how your character is tied in with him more than anyone else here, though I am sure that we can work around that and give you the freedom of character you want. You are the only high ranked member left in Kirigakure, while Kirito, Strawberry, Aries, Yamikura are the lower ranked members that still RP in the place, at least as far as I can see. While a full overhaul is simply too much to ask when there are only so many people left to work with on Staff, which can be gauged just by reading what Travis and Amy said, Evacuating Kirigakure and taking the people to another village is more than fair. Hell, i'd even march in there myself and burn the place to the ground if it means getting the lot of you into a more active environment. It's not fair that you are all more or less forced into a slow inactivity process because your Kage felt it was getting to hot and had to ditch.

That said, I am going to make a few votes to go along with this. I hope everyone will take the voting seriously so there will be no troll-moves made. If we want to make the best out of a crap situation, we need to at least work together all the way.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Kirigakure Voting Poll: http://www.ultimateshinobi.org/t11577-kirigakure

Village-Tournament Poll: http://www.ultimateshinobi.org/t11578-tournament#96190

Go vote people~

Age : 30 Posts : 1688

Here is what I think.
Pure. Short. Simple. Painless.
But take it anyway.

There are three sections to a working forum with this structure. Admins. They lead the site, make the big choices, and can do mod work with they are needed in such areas. Mods. They are the worker bees, the ones that are going through apps, approving numerous things, and bringing the bigger questions to the admins; pointing them out, highlighting them, bringing them to the admins, and then participating in the discussion that follows. Then, there are members. Their job is to be active, loyal, peaceful members of the forum. Their job is to build characters, build plots, maintain stories of their own making, and have fun. To me, this topic reads like a member trying to act on staff duties. I mean no disrespect when I say that you're a bit out of place here, Vergil. I am, of course, referring to your vote on Kirigakure. When Staff feels the need to eliminate a village, it will be done. But let staff make those choices, and I assure you they are being talked about with urgency as we speak. Activity is not something that we're blind to, even when we're infected by it. We're all wanting to help, and it just takes time to get over the sickness, sometimes.

As soon as you start treating a site like it's dying, you begin to kill it. And it happens fast. So stop this debate. The Staff team, as well as the leaders of each nation are going over their options. It will be painless, and when it happens, it will feel natural and worked in. No need to rush things with these kinds of sloppy polls. Why raise the heat when you don't even know what you're cooking yet? Let the staff make dinner, and you can eat what we serve.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

CleverYamanaka wrote:: Here is what I think.
Pure. Short. Simple. Painless.
But take it anyway.

There are three sections to a working forum with this structure. Admins. They lead the site, make the big choices, and can do mod work with they are needed in such areas. Mods. They are the worker bees, the ones that are going through apps, approving numerous things, and bringing the bigger questions to the admins; pointing them out, highlighting them, bringing them to the admins, and then participating in the discussion that follows. Then, there are members. Their job is to be active, loyal, peaceful members of the forum. Their job is to build characters, build plots, maintain stories of their own making, and have fun. To me, this topic reads like a member trying to act on staff duties. I mean no disrespect when I say that you're a bit out of place here, Vergil. I am, of course, referring to your vote on Kirigakure. When Staff feels the need to eliminate a village, it will be done. But let staff make those choices, and I assure you they are being talked about with urgency as we speak. Activity is not something that we're blind to, even when we're infected by it. We're all wanting to help, and it just takes time to get over the sickness, sometimes.

As soon as you start treating a site like it's dying, you begin to kill it. And it happens fast. So stop this debate. The Staff team, as well as the leaders of each nation are going over their options. It will be painless, and when it happens, it will feel natural and worked in. No need to rush things with these kinds of sloppy polls. Why raise the heat when you don't even know what you're cooking yet? Let the staff make dinner, and you can eat what we serve.

While I do understand and agree with most of the things you are saying here, I don't agree with the whole cooking thing, because you are among several people I no longer consider to be staff. Panda was on that list, but he came back and pulled through, while you needed several Angry-Allie messages to just be bothered to make this post. Darius is gone, leaving Adam with pretty much everything else, and I don't really see a whole lot of response both here or in the Staff room, because even Amy and Travis seem like they are giving up on certain aspects of being Staff. A lot of people still bitch and complain about the event, which is just one thing that has yet to be handled properly so the people that are locked inside of it can move on with their Characters and act like it was all just a bad dream. Hell, the entire Tournament topic is filled with people saying they don't want to be forced into yet another Mandatory event.

Normally, I wouldn't even be bothered with this, but when over half of staff disappears for one reason or the other, you can't expect the Loyal, peaceful members to just sit on their ass while every bit of activity drains away. I am just one of several people that are still trying hard to be active, though where there was once an abundance of post, I am now happy to get just one post a week in ... 3 to 4 topics, which is rather ridiculous. The Kirigakure thing is simple, because lets face it, since you and the gang left, it's nothing more than a ghost town with maybe one to three people still left that do stuff. The village had a lot of potential, but everyone that was supposed to lead it and got high ranking characters disappeared one after the other. There is not, nor has there ever been enough activity to follow support three villages, and that good sir, is something we all know.

So you will have to excuse me that when you say that I have to put my faith in people like you, that I become highly discouraged. Who is to say that you won't just leave again when you are supposedly working on something. Who is to say that it will even make a difference whether or not you finally decide to make something out of the mess you guys made or not. You already dropped the ball with Kirigakure once and pretty much disappeared from the face of the planet along with most people that should step in when their Kage goes MIA. As such, I don't really have very high hopes in you fixing... anything really. Still, if you really think that you can, be my guest, because anything is better than going inactive again.

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

Spectre wrote:

CleverYamanaka wrote:: Here is what I think.
Pure. Short. Simple. Painless.
But take it anyway.

There are three sections to a working forum with this structure. Admins. They lead the site, make the big choices, and can do mod work with they are needed in such areas. Mods. They are the worker bees, the ones that are going through apps, approving numerous things, and bringing the bigger questions to the admins; pointing them out, highlighting them, bringing them to the admins, and then participating in the discussion that follows. Then, there are members. Their job is to be active, loyal, peaceful members of the forum. Their job is to build characters, build plots, maintain stories of their own making, and have fun. To me, this topic reads like a member trying to act on staff duties. I mean no disrespect when I say that you're a bit out of place here, Vergil. I am, of course, referring to your vote on Kirigakure. When Staff feels the need to eliminate a village, it will be done. But let staff make those choices, and I assure you they are being talked about with urgency as we speak. Activity is not something that we're blind to, even when we're infected by it. We're all wanting to help, and it just takes time to get over the sickness, sometimes.

As soon as you start treating a site like it's dying, you begin to kill it. And it happens fast. So stop this debate. The Staff team, as well as the leaders of each nation are going over their options. It will be painless, and when it happens, it will feel natural and worked in. No need to rush things with these kinds of sloppy polls. Why raise the heat when you don't even know what you're cooking yet? Let the staff make dinner, and you can eat what we serve.

While I do understand and agree with most of the things you are saying here, I don't agree with the whole cooking thing, because you are among several people I no longer consider to be staff. Panda was on that list, but he came back and pulled through, while you needed several Angry-Allie messages to just be bothered to make this post. Darius is gone, leaving Adam with pretty much everything else, and I don't really see a whole lot of response both here or in the Staff room, because even Amy and Travis seem like they are giving up on certain aspects of being Staff. A lot of people still bitch and complain about the event, which is just one thing that has yet to be handled properly so the people that are locked inside of it can move on with their Characters and act like it was all just a bad dream. Hell, the entire Tournament topic is filled with people saying they don't want to be forced into yet another Mandatory event.

Normally, I wouldn't even be bothered with this, but when over half of staff disappears for one reason or the other, you can't expect the Loyal, peaceful members to just sit on their ass while every bit of activity drains away. I am just one of several people that are still trying hard to be active, though where there was once an abundance of post, I am now happy to get just one post a week in ... 3 to 4 topics, which is rather ridiculous. The Kirigakure thing is simple, because lets face it, since you and the gang left, it's nothing more than a ghost town with maybe one to three people still left that do stuff. The village had a lot of potential, but everyone that was supposed to lead it and got high ranking characters disappeared one after the other. There is not, nor has there ever been enough activity to follow support three villages, and that good sir, is something we all know.

So you will have to excuse me that when you say that I have to put my faith in people like you, that I become highly discouraged. Who is to say that you won't just leave again when you are supposedly working on something. Who is to say that it will even make a difference whether or not you finally decide to make something out of the mess you guys made or not. You already dropped the ball with Kirigakure once and pretty much disappeared from the face of the planet along with most people that should step in when their Kage goes MIA. As such, I don't really have very high hopes in you fixing... anything really. Still, if you really think that you can, be my guest, because anything is better than going inactive again.

To be honest, crap like this always seems to come to personal battles, which is why I think Sied vs Zack is probably the worst way to do this, knowing them as we do. Now, first things first, I agree with Zack's lovely analogy of the different functioning groups of the site, but all I can really ask is what happens when one group, or more, seems to be lacking? I haven't really experienced it myself, but members seem to be complaining about waiting times on applications, Darius done gone, Adam's good at what he does but we never see too much of him and there's been an undeniable decrease in the amount of members, although for the minute we're still functioning well enough. But the main issue is when one group becomes deficient, the other ones are buggered. If the admins don't keep their foot in the less than appealing arse holes of the moderators and do their general duty, the moderators let up. Mod activity hasn't been at it's best, although the ones who are doing their work are doing it well. Regardless, the moderators are needed to do their job to keep the members satisfied, which we all know is bloody difficult at times.

Anyway, point is, I don't think this whole thing can be pinned on certain individuals leaving, because, irritating as it is, it happens. When that happens, they need to be replaced, and there needs to be members who are actually able to fill the void that's been left, which isn't always possible. All that's required is dedication from all three parties. As Zack said, our job as members is to be loyal and swallow the throbbing cock of staff and enjoy it as best we can. The fact is, this topic has probably alerted them to how we feel, so we can leave it be for now, Sied. If the staff can put in the dedication and the time to keep themselves active, then the majority of the members can return that dedication. So if we let them do their job as best they can, we can just sit and wait. Admittedly we need to nudge the lazy pricks from time to time, but now this whole topic's received the reaction it has, I'm sure we can trust that they're working on something.

Basically, do what Zack said, even if you don't like Zack, because Zack is representing the staff right now. We've made our thoughts clear, so shush Siedy~wiedy.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Fine then.

Just saying though, it's not that it is a personal problem I have with Zack, seeing as the guy just came back from wherever he has been to a site that was already ravaged by inactivity from both members and Staff. It's that people left at some of the worst imaginable moments, some at the best moments when it came down to outrunning certain trouble that was in the making. Whatever the case may be, I said what I wanted to say and I hope people will make the best out of it this time. I already told Zack my opinion on Skype, and I said it in the post above this one, so I will make that much clear one last time before I quit with this topic.

If he has anything in mind that can make even the slightest of changes to the problems we are facing, by all means, go for it. I think that it is a case of "Too little too late", though I hope that this will be a case that proves me wrong, I really do...

Age : 25 Posts : 1767

I'm going to buy a leash for you, and not for sexual reasons.