Confusion

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Quote :: You also forget that chakra is as you know, a part of your body, something you live with for your entire life. The chakra constantly circles around your body and it never stops. It's basically the blood, the only difference is that you can control it. Now as for controlling it, you never actually change the direction of the flow of the chakra, instead, you focus a larger amount of it in that part of the body you wish to use. Also, if we are going to use Naruto cannon in this little chat, you remember when Kakashi told Naruto how much he wastes chakra when using a normal bunshin aka. using it the wrong way? How many times has he failed molding chakra to make a technique at the begging of the show? I don't think I ever saw him getting his internal organs blown up. So I don't see why using your chakra the "wrong" way would cause such damage to the user. The only thing that would happen is either the jutsu won't work, or it would use too much chakra and it wouldn't be as strong.

No, chakra is not a part of you from birth, nor is comparable to blood in any fashion. If you'll note, as most people seem to forget, chakra is not constantly present in a body in any large quantities because it must be created (Handseals are how you 'mold' chakra together into a usable form actually) because it does not exist within your body naturally. This is what seperates shinobi from non-shinobi, the ability to create chakra. Now, you may be saying, how is that possible if shinobi have chakra systems and the like? Why do they act like everyone always has chakra then?

Simple stuff really: shinobi always have a small amount molded around, and the chakra system is how they transport it through the body, emergencies and whatnot. But they do not have it naturally. Why is this? Because by canon definition, chakra is a composite material formed out of two things, cellular and spiritual energy. ONLY (ONLY) after they are fused together by the formation of handseals is it chakra, otherwise its just raw cellular energy and raw spiritual energy. So with this in mind, I hope you will abandon your point that you are born with chakra (because you are not.)

So back to business, handling chakra is LEARNED (See above) so control over it is not something you knew since you could poop yourself, and Genin pick it up rather quickly but thats besides the point...the chakra network does require you to move chakra through other bodily systems besides the chakra network (ex. if you want to enhance your muscles, it has to leave your chakra system and enter said muscles) and it is this that I refer to as 'dangerous' because of the nature of chakra. It is ENERGY and it is very potent. The reason Genin don't blow themselves up when they learn how to use it? Kishi-logic. Who knows (I don't), but logically considering what chakra can do and the fact that is an energy source which is more potent than any energy source known to mankind, Genin should promptly explode the first time they try to manipulate chakra. Unless we expect people to believe that a 10yr can control the energy to create a fireball perfectly the first time they ever try rather than slipping fire chakra into their vascular system and immediately drying up all their blood (which would be a curious way to die...)

That aside, I don't accept Naruto the character as evidence for much of anything (I believe this is general site policy as I've seen it mentioned before) but if I entertain such an idea an obvious solution occurs to me. Naruto is both plot-protected as well as a Kyuubi host, he can regenerate, and apparently can cope with overloading his systems internally...wait? Whats that? He never overloads himself internally this so point is entirely mute? Also that.

Naruto only uses EXTERNAL chakra, he never uses Taijutsu enhanced fists, or medical techniques, all of his chakra goes OUT, so its no more dangerous than turning a faucet on too high. It wastes water (as Kakashi mentioned) but its not dangerous or you think he would've mentioned that. But that only makes my point better actually, see how easy it is to send chakra out externally versus internally? You can't fuck it up. Its so easy, Naruto could do it.

Quote :: Uhh, how is a medical ninja, who doesn't have any close quarter combat training, better at close quarter combat than a taijutsu user? Sure, if they had Taijutsu as specialty than yes, but they would lose their surgical control of chakra when in the heat of the battle, especially when they are fighting head to head with a taijutsu or weaponry user.

Yeah...that wasn't the point, at all. I don't recall ever saying a medical shinobi was better at close-range combat than a Taijutsu shinobi, but you went ahead and pretended I did so I don't know what to tell you here. I can't defend a point I didn't make...moving on...

Quote :: I disagree to this statement. How can it be easier to put chakra in a weapon, something alien to your chakra, than molding it in your own body which they do from the second they join the Academy and train it for their entire life. Until an academy student reaches the level of a genin, he is only thought how to fight with a weapon, not how to simply put chakra in a shuriken.

Please see my first point, but let me make it super clear...
If you run an electric current through your body, it kills you.
If you run an electric current through a rock, it doesn't.

Chakra is energy, just like electricty, and manipulating something that dangerous internally is INFINITELY more difficult than doing so externally (hence why Ninjutsu users can make giant fireballs and Genin while Medics have trouble curing the common cold, external v internal.) There are no consequences if you fuck up externally, or at least none that are instantly lethal like slipping chakra into the wrong place (nervous system here we come!)

Molding chakra in your body is the battery, you do not leave the energy in the battery, you move it out like its supposed to be moved out (that is the entirely purpose of jutsu) rather than leaving it in place. For reference, please complete the circuit for the nearest AA battery into itself and tell me how that works out for you (protip: use a papertowel, battery acid is messy.) Hence my original statement that Taijutsu users are like the most pro chakra manipulators in the Naruverse, they don't blow themselves up everytime they direct chakra into their delicate flesh (Somehow.)

External is easier, safer, and more practical than internal. Bottom line. Don't know how else I can make this evident short of drawing diagrams in MSPaint (but I'll do it if you think it helps.)

Quote :: I don't remember seeing a genin here who can run at the speed of sound. If you have, please, point it out, and it will be removed immediately.

Name: Kawarimi no Jutsu • Body Replacement Technique
Rank: E
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: 10 meters
Element: N/A
Description: After performing a tiger seal, this technique allows the user to alter places in a speedy manner with another nearby object. This is done mere seconds before an attack lands, thus making the attacker believe his or her attack was a success. Whatever object was used to alter places will receive the brunt of the enemy’s attack instead. The object that the user switches with must be preset somewhere else in the thread, meaning that the object must have received specific mention previously in the thread.
Chakra Cost: 2

Move from point A to point B in seconds. Sounds like some crazy fucking speed to me. Like I said, maybe I'm just silly but considering Kawarmi doesn't even make noise, and you displace your body doing it, and every law of physic says such a displacement would make noise, you are apparently moving so fast that science can't even catch up with you. But there is something that moves that fast, we call it 'lightning' and 'thunder' and that makes sense, you only hear the sound Kawarmi sometimes makes AFTER they've moved. So yes, any Genin can move as fast as LITERAL. LIGHTNING.

But no, please go and unapprove it, I never liked it anyways. Its a stupid jutsu.

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Also, I would like to quote Enzo on something

Enzo wrote:: Remember when Naruto was doing his Fuuton training, and he could easily slice the chakra enhanced piece of paper with a simple touch; but when it came to the leaf it took him days worth of powerleveling just to get a small cut in it? Yeah, this is a very similar concept. In both instances, you're channeling chakra into a foreign object, to achieve a certain effect. The main difference is; Naruto was trying to use his chakra to cut the leaf; where as weaponry users are using the very same method to enhance the ability of their 'leaf'.

No. See above. I don't care what Enzo says, Enzo is wrong, thats kinda' evidently what I'm posting here...I don't see how quoting someone who I disagree with makes your point any better. Two wrongs don't make a right. Plus Enzo didn't even quote the canon in context. The leaf exercise was about control, not about power. The paper can be ruined because Naruto didn't care about control, it was just about demonstrating the chakra, but with the leaf the point was to control it and focus it to achieve a specific effect. The two are not comparable.

This is like saying that drawing is the same as open heart surgery. They both involve the same type of movements of the hand but one of them requires precision above the other one (Debatable) and it has nothing to do with the object involved (paper v a body.) It has to do with the goal, if the surgeon wanted to draw on the man its not like he would suddenly throw his hands up in the air and say 'Dammit! Art school didn't teach me to draw on human flesh! I need to go train in a waterfall for 3 weeks and then come back!'

Come on. Thats just silly.

Quote :: So as you can see, only A+ ranks are actually capable of killing, though B rank could kill somebody, but not instantly. So no, a C rank on this site will never be able to kill anybody. If the technique says in the description that it can kill an opponent, you can bet your ass that the technique will be at least a B rank.

No. You misunderstand what is written and then extrapolate to prove a point, misunderstanding is not a valid basis for any argument. ANY rank of jutsu can kill someone provided proper context, that is the point of roleplay, and as I said, a fist to the spine (rankless) can still kill you regardless of your personal ranking. What your quoted segment states is that A Rank justu are lethal, and...what? I can't see a note that says the following:

"No other rank of jutsu can kill you. Only A Rank plus. Genin, GG."

It wouldn't either. That would make no sense. I'm trying to be civil but I refuse to discuss this point any further because there is no way I can do so without breaking out in a tirade because of how hat-on-ass mind-blowing this is for anyone to think...but let me say one thing. Losing chakra kills you, correct, or at least knocks you unconscious?

Name: Chakra Kyuuin Jutsu - Chakra Absorption Technique
Rank: C-S
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Close (0m - 5m)
Element: N/A
Description: After activitating the technique, the user's hand will glow with chakra. When he or she touches his or her palm on his or her opponents body, the user can withdraw the physical and spiritual energy out of them. By reducing their chakra, it greatly increases the user’s advantage over his or her opponent.
Chakra Cost:
Costs the User: C (5) | Takes From Target: D (4)
Costs the User: B (10) | Takes From Target: C (9)
Costs the User: A (20) | Takes From Target: B (15)
Costs the User: S (35) | Takes From Target: A (25)

Then that jutsu is lethal. Even i you don't outright die from having 0 chakra? They can slit your throat afterwards (throat slitting, S RANK THROAT-SLIT NO JUTSU so that apparently its lethal in your opinion, probably the best jutsu on the site considering it costs 0 chakra and achieves the effect of an S Rank jutsu (lethality).)

Please don't waste anymore of my time with this ludicrous point...

Quote :: As for the rest of your post, I'm going to leave it to somebody else who has more knowledge than me on this matter. However, I really don't see the problem on why can't you just wait to get that chunnin rank, which can be achieved in a couple of weeks, and just channel chakra through your weapons as much as you like. You can already mold chakra in your body to make your swings faster and stronger if you give a decent description of the jutsu.

Because logic.

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