Application Tagging

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Here's an idea, how about you can't tag something. What happened with Hyouketsu Hatsu was unacceptable (was tagged and not checked afterwards for 16 days), and it's only one example of how it can go wrong. Tagging is just a bad idea, because you don't know for sure that you'll end up checking it within 48 hours. This means you can create havoc by making people wait EVEN LONGER than they normally would have to, so how about no.

Age : 32 Posts : 1912

Only people allowed to tag are:
Amy
Amy
Amy
Amy

But that's only for Evaluations purposes, which she does awesomely. But I do agree with the Shyke.

Age : 28 Posts : 2538

I've only ever had good experiences with the tagging system. It's nice to know someone is keeping your application in mind, even if they haven't gotten around to moderating/evaluating it yet.

Age : 28 Posts : 223

Or, how about someone CAN tag. However, if it exceeds 48 hours, then the tag becomes invalid?

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Drake wrote:: Or, how about someone CAN tag. However, if it exceeds 48 hours, then the tag becomes invalid?

When you make no method to contact said mod who was told the approval was unimportant and the clan wasnt intended to be used it creates problems too. I apologize for a busy schedule and an assumption that the clan could be set off to the side as you (the creator) said it was not a pressing matter.

There is a point though as it allows a mod to overview something without which there is a greater chance of them being dragged out of approval later because of something crucial that is missed.

On that note, topic locked.

Age : 32 Posts : 683

That's not how this is done Trey this needs to be solved with the member and then let sit for 24 hours before it is locked.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Drake wrote:: Or, how about someone CAN tag. However, if it exceeds 48 hours, then the tag becomes invalid?

This is a bad idea as my FIRST POST already said. Making people wait for those 48 hours where other people could check it is un-fucking-acceptable.

Age : 28 Posts : 223

ShykeWolfe wrote:

Drake wrote:: Or, how about someone CAN tag. However, if it exceeds 48 hours, then the tag becomes invalid?

This is a bad idea as my FIRST POST already said. Making people wait for those 48 hours where other people could check it is un-fucking-acceptable.

What if it is less efficient? Someone is only going to tag it if they think it needs their special attention, or if they believe other mods aren't capable enough of to give an unbiased/fair judgement. I'd rather wait 48 hours than have my things unapproved.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Drake wrote:

ShykeWolfe wrote:

Drake wrote:: Or, how about someone CAN tag. However, if it exceeds 48 hours, then the tag becomes invalid?

This is a bad idea as my FIRST POST already said. Making people wait for those 48 hours where other people could check it is un-fucking-acceptable.

What if it is less efficient? Someone is only going to tag it if they think it needs their special attention, or if they believe other mods aren't capable enough of to give an unbiased/fair judgement.

If a mod needs to tag something because they believe others to be incompetent, then the system has failed. So this should not be an issue, and in my eyes, it isn't. What is an unbiased or fair judgement? It's something staff learn by checking things, nothing is going to be learned if tagging occurs.

Age : 28 Posts : 223

I can't even begin to tell you how wrong your post is. First of all, if you think the system is broken due to incompetency of some moderators when compared to that of others, then it is, and maybe that is what needs to be fixed instead of going on about application tagging, in which case application tagging wouldn't even need to occur.

So if staff are going to be 'learning things' while they moderate, then there should be a certain trial period, which I'm sure there is. And these trial moderators shouldn't be given the power to fully give a 1/2 for something. Yes, I can see how that would be rather time consuming, but its the only way to make sure there aren't inconsistencies in the moderating team. Which again seems to be the main issue here.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Drake wrote:: I can't even begin to tell you how wrong your post is. First of all, if you think the system is broken due to incompetency of some moderators when compared to that of others, then it is, and maybe that is what needs to be fixed instead of going on about application tagging, in which case application tagging wouldn't even need to occur.

So if staff are going to be 'learning things' while they moderate, then there should be a certain trial period, which I'm sure there is. And these trial moderators shouldn't be given the power to fully give a 1/2 for something. Yes, I can see how that would be rather time consuming, but its the only way to make sure there aren't inconsistencies in the moderating team. Which again seems to be the main issue here.

~ I didn't say it was, you said it was by saying that application tagging should be allowed for an unbiased/fair opinion.

~ Staff learn over the entire period of their position, there is no point at which one stops learning how to be unbiased and efficient.

Age : 28 Posts : 223

ShykeWolfe wrote:

Drake wrote:: I can't even begin to tell you how wrong your post is. First of all, if you think the system is broken due to incompetency of some moderators when compared to that of others, then it is, and maybe that is what needs to be fixed instead of going on about application tagging, in which case application tagging wouldn't even need to occur.

So if staff are going to be 'learning things' while they moderate, then there should be a certain trial period, which I'm sure there is. And these trial moderators shouldn't be given the power to fully give a 1/2 for something. Yes, I can see how that would be rather time consuming, but its the only way to make sure there aren't inconsistencies in the moderating team. Which again seems to be the main issue here.

~ I didn't say it was, you said it was by saying that application tagging should be allowed for an unbiased/fair opinion.

Umm no, I said application tagging happens BECAUSE some moderators believe that they can provide such an opinion better than others. Maybe they can.

As for the second part, I understand that. But maybe they should only be given powers after they reach the point where inconsistencies do not arise.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

efficient being that something might need to be withdrawn from approval because staff missed something painfully obvious?

Age : 28 Posts : 223

MrMoney wrote:: efficient being that something might need to be withdrawn from approval because staff missed something painfully obvious?

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Drake wrote:

MrMoney wrote:: efficient being that something might need to be withdrawn from approval because staff missed something painfully obvious?

Efficient being making someone wait for four days on an opinion when it's simply being flat out denied.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

He didnt have computer access nothing he can do about it "?

Age : 28 Posts : 223

ShykeWolfe wrote:

Drake wrote:

MrMoney wrote:: efficient being that something might need to be withdrawn from approval because staff missed something painfully obvious?

Efficient being making someone wait for four days on an opinion when it's simply being flat out denied.

Since we are talking about your case directly, the waiting part wouldn't have happened if the initial moderators had 'caught' the main painfully obvious problem. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but just stating some facts, and some opinions of course.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

MrMoney wrote:: He didnt have computer access nothing he can do about it "?

You could have denied it instead, or verbalized that there was no chance it would be approved. This way you could have saved me four days of waiting, but this is something you have learned only now, as I said staff members learn over the entire course of their time spent as such.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Drake wrote:

ShykeWolfe wrote:

Drake wrote:

MrMoney wrote:: efficient being that something might need to be withdrawn from approval because staff missed something painfully obvious?

Efficient being making someone wait for four days on an opinion when it's simply being flat out denied.

Since we are talking about your case directly, the waiting part wouldn't have happened if the initial moderators had 'caught' the main painfully obvious problem. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but just stating some facts, and some opinions of course.

Furthermore, this is something they have learned too, as have I learned that clans cannot be related to effects of SC's.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

The point of this topic anyway, is that application tagging can only create problems, it does not provide solutions.

Case and point, hack slash tag #yolo

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

I brought up the same point he did ? as I pointed out before you called me a Jerk.

Age : 33 Posts : 254

MrMoney wrote:: I brought up the same point he did ? as I pointed out before you called me a Jerk.

You brought up points which I posted a defence against, and then you said nothing. And the reason I called you a jerk was for making a pointless comment after I'd already accepted the unapproval. Which I'm not about to apologize for, but you just ignored my final statement which was that:

Tagging things is not going to create solutions, it's going to create problems.

If people are happy to have their stuff tagged that's fine, but it still isn't doing them any benefit. You're taking away the chance for others to check their application while you think about what you're going to do, while it's possible others might make mistakes while checking it, so can you. You're not perfect.

Age : 31 Posts : 1490

Initial reason why topic was locked ? See above.

If a topic is tagged and the said tagger is taking to long ether A. Contact said staff member or B. Inform another staff member? We all keep in fairly well contact with each other.

My skype is on the site profile thingy. you have more than enough PMs. Tagging creations is no different than tagging an Eval. Different mods moderate differently jsut as different evaluators eval differently. The only thing tagging does in creation is allow the moderator to get a say in the creation rather than having the possibility of needing to pull it from approval later on.

Age : 29 Posts : 1797

I'm sorry, are you implying that I planned to have my computer cut out for three days?

Age : 33 Posts : 254

Enzo wrote:: I'm sorry, are you implying that I planned to have my computer cut out for three days?

Did I even mention your name just then? Because I didn't. Besides that, I created this topic about application tagging, which has had nothing to do with you.